Game Balance (from a lvl 100)

#4

I’m only lvl 80(without double xp) and I 100% agree with this, I play both sides of the fence and I feel the fireteam deals so much damage, at rangers greater than bout 50 meters the predator cloak is just grey, making it easy to spot him, the current setup makes a ranged predator nearly impossible, their damage versus predators at range gives them a massive advantage with how easily detectable predator is, two headshots with the 7EN or the SAWZ removes the mask, 3 with protection, so a sniper on the fireteam against a range predator is more or less game over because of the ease of detection coupled with the predator being unable to fire while moving at anything other than a crawl, in melee the fireteam wins if they are all able to parry.

A few changes I would personally like to see

-disc rework: it’s too slow for the minimal damage it deals, but speeding it up makes it so much harder to control, so leave the damage and speed as is, make it a fire and forget weapon(or give it a FAF fire mode), give the targeting a 2-3 second lock on period(only on targets who arent fully mudded) and then make an elliptical trajectory to the target and back, wouldn’t work in closed quarter only in the open, would give us an opportunity to use it as both a distraction and initiation.

-increase AI damage and numbers:not massively, but enough to make it so the fireteam doesnt ignore them when a predator engages, one of the few openings predator has is while the fireteam is engaging with AI, but they immediately ignore them and focus on the predator because the AI isnt enough of a threat.

-greatly reduced ability for fireteam to heal

-a plasmacaster lock on targets that arent fully muddied

-a plasmacaster that doesnt detonate on the twig that apparently is a foot away from the predator dealing self damage and lighting up where he fired from

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#5

Yeah the plasmacaster exploding on leaves, twigs and bushes could easily be fixed by editing the collision matrix, in other words make it so that the plasma projectiles dont collide with objects that are on the bush layer.

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#6

I agree, right now the AI is most of the time not worth considering for the Fireteam, they are no real danger, increasing their numbers and damage would have a positive impact.

#7

The game balancing does need some work, I won a few times with predator but God fire team is way to powerful. Like give predator more health or make his weapons alot more deadly. I understand he not suppose to be unstoppable but he shouldn’t be weaker then fireteam.

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#8

Also some custom control options would be nice, for example 1 2 3 4 for predator weapons, parkour on a different button as jump as to not accidentally climb up a tree instead of jumping. Muting and Report at endgame screen, mute all players in lobby and so on.

#9

This may sound stupid to you but, make a health buff where the Hunter Predator Class has almost* the same health as the Berserker Class and then increase the Berserker health accordingly; same with the Scout Class.

#10

UPDATE
It seems if you play the strongest builds in either role and you do it good you only win, at least for me its like that.

I havent played that much Predator on my road to lvl 100 because well 10min queue with bad stuff on Predator since most wasnt unlocked aswell as XP boost that runs out. I basically only won in my Fireteam matches, now that i played more Predator, i have to say, the right build is pretty OP aswell.

I think the disparity between good perks and items and bad ones is huge in this game. But if you know what you do, and pick the right stuff, you win with both all the time.

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#11

I would say a major buff to predator would be his main plasma casters shots cut through the foliage. Right now with the awkward way you have to stand still and hold it for decent damage it get too big and hits tony limbs and twigs. Would be cool if they made it like the 2010 avp game did. I believe it locked onto people if you held it on someone long enough

#12

I think the P.C. and the Disc should both lock onto targets that aren’t fully mudded, so in an extended skirmish if you can keep them from getting the chance to mud you gain the advantage as the skirmish continues

#13

All great ideas and great response from other people replying. Finally a post worthy of reading the walls of words…

Well done !!!

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#14

can we get a fucking nerf on the combi stick? like, an actual nerf? lower attack speed as well as lower damage numbers. i haven’t lost a single match since i unlocked it(at least 12 games now) and i’ve ended all the games in under 3 minutes. the fireteam has no counter to it at all and it’s honestly just not fun for either side at this point.

don’t get me wrong, i like winning, but i like at least having illusion that there’s some kind of challenge. on the flip side, being a fireteam member is pointless. unless the pred player is absolute ass, it’s impossible to win lol

#15

Parry > combi, I run with a premade fireteam and melee predators lose 99% of games against us, because of parry

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#16

It’s fine where it is. Fireteam’s that know how to parry will destroy you.

#17

i mean, it’s really not lol but, hey, for the 5% of people that say it’s ok, then sure. if i’m able to absolutely dominate with the pred then there’s 100% something wrong lol

#18

That will change when the majority figure out all they have to do is bunch up on you and knife spam

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#19

Yeah the parry in my opinion needs some kind of balancing debuff or just throw out all predator melee weapons as it does make having melee weapons completely pointless and then you’ll have nothing but plasma caster spammers both hand and shoulder, that’s what I’m gonna do: net and plasma to death then parrying won’t be so fun XD

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#20

Yeah its one of predators strongest weapons, but as Fireteam i also basically always win and that with randoms and without using voice chat. I kinda shred Predators in 1vs1 close range. So yeah there are op builds on Fireteam side aswell as on Predator side and if Fireteam consists of 4 of those op builds yeah thats though if they somewhat stay together.

#21

So overall with my experience with this entire game. I found the fire time has way too much equipment and little risk.

AI is non-threat
Multiple fast heals, ontop of extras that can be brought
And some perks are sort unbalanced

But most of all beyond is their firepower.

Shotguns should not be secondaries. Neither should Ol’ painless.

There’s no give and take with their weapons. You rock a mid range assault rifle and a powerful secondary. Or worse 4 x GLs or Mini guns.

Weapon loadouts need a tradeoff. SMGs should not have drum clips.

Reduce ammo refill and gear refill. Health syringes should be very limited and take equal time to heal like the predator.

On recon I have 4 flashbangs, and 3 grenades and 3 heals, my silenced AUG, spas12, extended clips are gonna make the load out even worse.

Then there’s silencers with no negatives and extended clips on every gun. No negatives eithers.

The more I play and look at look back, its not that Predator needs a buff or is too weak, its just that Fireteam is waaaaaay too strong and has little risk and super easy objectives. Theres no risk or reason for them to split up. There’s no war of attrition, theres so many places to reload and refill, revive teammates.

I think Illfonic severely underestimated FireTeam Loadouts and overestimated the Predator abilities.

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#22

level 100? Damn dude go use some of that time too exercise.

#23

Zucker, great suggestions.