People and their stupid ideas

#39

Your feedback is not ignored but some suggestions are just extremely difficult to implement without creating further bugs or using more resources than we have. Remember that we have a very small dev team and fewer resources than larger studios. Others are not able to be implemented due to decision making beyond the dev team’s control.

As I’ve stated before multiple times, it’s extremely difficult to fix a bug without knowing the steps to reproduce it. If we don’t have that, it’s nearly impossible for us to even begin to fix it.

Also remember that whenever someone makes a suggestion, someone else voices the opposite opinion. Which are we supposed to listen to in that case?

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#40

Yeah, it’s pretty weird how I don’t check the forums 24/7 during non-business hours.

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#41

Mine
Add frogs god damnit

Better game 100%

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#42

Cool can you say which of those frequently reposted suggestions that is?
To clarify?
For clarity?

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#43

Yes it is ignored, seriously you must know this.

What happened with posts regarding cosmetic graphical changes to some preds, so they can look more movie accurate? Posts that received massive positive feedback from the community? Those were not even acknowledged by you.

What happened with countless requests for 6 v 2 or 8 v 2 game modes? There has been dozens if not tens of those in the past two years?

What about community begging you for more than a year to increase pred gear items, for example add dogs or whatever just give him more gear to choose from?

@Kassinaillia, again, myself or anyone else on forums is not requiring you to follow every single instruction and fulfil every single request from us - that would be nonsense.

But stop saying that you are listening to us, because its quite frankly offending to all of us who had been here from the beginning - you are not, above examples are just few of many. For Christ sakes - its not even the fact you did not agree to those ideas - you didn’t even say no. Just point blankly ignored us.

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#44

Dear God… no

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#45

See the rest of my post. It’s about scope and resources. The problem is we can’t ever definitively say no, as we’re not certain about what we are able and not able to do in the future, as is the case for many studios. We’d rather not make false promises or shut people down from continuing to ideate towards something we can end up implementing.

And my replying does not mean the threads with constructive feedback and replies don’t make it to others in the company.

#46

I always read it all before answering ;-)

The problem is you are ignoring those ideas by not saying NOTHING at all - this is mine oand others point. Really, all you need to do is a simple “Thanks for idea guys, will be passed on but can’t promise anything - IP related bullshit, you know”
And that would stop me from bitching about Illfonic ignoring us.

Don’t get me wrong - I would find something else to bitch about ;-)

#47

Look at it this way: if IllFonic really didn’t care about your feedback or bug reports, I wouldn’t have been hired to begin with. One of my primary responsibilities is babysitting you all and making sure this forum is a place where we can actually get coherent info from players.

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#48

And I do appreciate this… like alot. Courier sucked at it XDDDD
Not saying you are doing something wrong. Just saying that 90% of legit feedback provided by this forum was ignored, without any sort of response. That is a solid fact.

Apart from that all is good, game is still rolling, hopefully we will get some nice stuff in next dlcs. Whatever the future brings, there is no hope for past to change (quz our feedback is getting ignored (Jesus, I’m such a dick sometimes))

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#49

One last thing in regards to that – after CH was released there was some issues in regards to his look but main one was his funny looking, not movie accurate mask. I’ve remodelled CH mask so it looked movie accurate and not like it was a pump up balloon for a 5 year old birthday party. I have prepared the 3d mesh, made sure it fits all preds in game (at that time) After receiving positive feedback from community I’ve posted results on forums, announcing that I will provide this asset for free and without taking any credit (even send an email to Illfonic about that – with attached file), so Illfonic dose not have to waste resources on some nerdish cosmetic issues.

Needless to say - this was absolutely ignored, despite prompting forum mods for a response. So no – its not the resource scope – it looks like pure ignorance.

It’s also the fact you guys must do what Sony tells you to do in regards to this game. And I get it. I’ve stopped any efforts to correct things, look for better solutions. Its just… say something when somebody is posting a good idea with massive feedback behind it. A simple “Will pass on, but no promises” will do.

#50

So you guys have no direction? No idea what you do or don’t want in the game? I recall someone over there posting that this game would be sticking to Earth so that at the very least lets us deduce what is and isn’t extremely unlikely. Kind of takes a game preserve map out of the question so we can set expectations and have a general idea of what your intention for the game is.

How about tell us what ideas are extremely unlikely if you don’t like the word No?

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#51

Highly unlikely that they will XDDDD

Sorry, just had to do that
dick

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#52

This is like if the DBD devs refused to have a stance & tell people “no we have no intention of adding a mode with multiple killers for the foreseeable future” and instead just kept encouraging people the flood the forum with the same requests.

They at the very least used their livestreams to explain what direction they were taking the game.
Whereas illfonic is saying their scope is so broad and undefined they have no idea what they won’t add or any kind of general design philosophy which is ridiculous.

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#53

Exactly my point - its not them that decide what to add or what to change - its Sony. Viking and Samurai preds are best examples of that. Both were added 2 weeks before two AAA games release dates respectively - Assassins Creed Valhalla and Ghosts of Tsushima.
This alone shows you that Illfonic is just Sony’s employee, sort of a subcontractor that needs to follow strict instruction. My bet is, Illfonic HQ doesn’t know themselves what direction (if any) this game is heading. They are just awaiting instructions from Sony.

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#54

I want to assume this is coincidence but lol

#55

Not a chance

What is the reason to WASTE RESOURCES and create new, completely lore unrelated preds that no one was asking for?

Viking was added 2 weeks before AC released and same goes for Samurai - 2 weeks before GoT. Those were pure cash grabs and an attempt by Sony to attract more players, that are not necessarily in to pred lore but are waiting for their games to come out. It worked though

I’m 100% sure Dante is the same case as two above, just can’t connect him to anything that wolud attract people to a video game

So yes, Illfonic does not know what will be in the next DLC… only Sony knows

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#56

Pred skins aside though (assuming some are tied to major launches), we’re completely in the dark about modes, gear, the state of weapons etc

like who tf over there thought King of the Hill (and with 0 incentives to play it) was a mode people were going to play for any length of time? They could’ve sooner asset flipped TDM.
Point being there’s no back and forth at all. no vision for this game and they refuse to have a stance on anything at all.

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#57

No, Courier just had a better sense of humor. (jk girl you’re the best <3)

Listen, I understand how property and media licenses work when it comes to characters, names, places, and what studios are allowed to do. We want this, we want that, when in reality, we likely never will get it because they (the owners of the character trademark) either don’t want to for whatever reason or are charging an extreme amount to license that character out. We’re lucky we got Dutch, with authentic Arnold VA lines (I bet that’s where most of the budget went). Things cost money and resources, and if Illfonic is such a tiny team, they have little of each to make the title better. I think understanding that, is the key to understanding why so little of our ideas are implemented.

That being said, if more communication between them and you, and from you to us, could be done, we would all appreciate it. Very, very obvious things, like the sound bug, Exiled’s locks, damage and health balancing on both sides…let us know those are things being worked on, if not at least considered. And other things, like patch progress, little hints to what’s to come (that is confirmed, not still in negotiation), or even just a simple hi.

Or, better yet, a thank you, for those of us who have stuck with the game through all of the bs, and still do, for better or for worse. I think THAT would be most appreciated above all.

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#58

After spending thousands of hours discussing, training/teaching, being patient and trying to understand, and trying to rally hope for this game and the devs, yeah I’d appreciate a hello howdy hi. But, that’s not what I’m about to get at.

After doing some digging and making some educated guesses… Illfonic is kinda fucked. All this time they seemed to have been led to the slaughter by Sony. Perhaps Disney also had a say in what a mess this game has become. Unfortunately, Disney won the case over the Thomas Brothers, even though law dictates the IP should belong to them since the contract expired but I’m rambling.

Point is, giving Illfonic a break. They did their jobs pretty well. Aside from bugs that I’m now convinced they simply cannot fix due to a chain leash Sony has around their neck. Doesn’t quite excuse the poorly modeled Super Preds however. That’s simply an employee allocation error, 6 people can’t seem to maintain this game. Making mistakes Digital Extemes is with Warframe. Need to get more people back working on this game.

Considering we already had City Hunter and Dutch 25 ready to ship before the game even released, we can assume most of year 1 was drip-fed. Content was finished but not being released until an opportune time. i.e. Samurai and Viking, GoW and GoT.

I get you guys have your hands tied and won’t expect as much. But considering now you have your own game, Arcadeggedon shipped, and an established fanbase for YOUR company, I’d advise terminated exclusivity contracts and doing what YOU want to do. This whole console war bullshit is nothing but trouble and always will be. If there’s one thing Digital Extremes did right, it was go independent and have Sony and Microsoft eating out of their palms.

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