Should Chopper flying over bomb be ft win

#10

Then let’s find out

@OldKingHamlet does Predator self-destruction success count as a win for Predator? For this case, let’s say he kills no FT members with it and simply detonates, leaving the remaining members alive outside of the bomb radius

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#13

Ok, here are the scenarios. There are 5.
FT wins…
1.) At least 1 FT escapes in the chopper with any hp left. Any left behind in the jungle are presumed to be killed by either AI or Predator.
2.) FT kills Predator and successfully claims the body.

Predator wins…
1.) If all 4 FT members are dead. No chopper escapees.
2.) If it detonates, regardless of whether the explosion kills anything.

Draw…
1.) All 5 players are dead.

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#14

I think you should move down the Pred2 win to become a draw.

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#15

There is an ending where the chopper flies off. All that needs to be done is either play solo or Predator is counting down the bomb but everyone escapes before they blow. It’s not difficult to pull off, just down Predator and everyone board the chopper.

#16

That’s basically the same as regular evac. Same cinematic.

#17

Nope. Reason being, FT MUST escape or claim the Preds body/tech. A big fat crater does not help your organization. Those are the conditions. I didn’t make em up, that’s just how they are.

#18

I thought if you escaped before the bomb goes off it’s a ft win has anyone gotten the challenge off this scenario

#19

its a ft win. is a slight variant of the chopper escape. only difference is without the pred and if the bomb goes off you’ll see some slowmo effect.

#20

That’s right! I forgot about that! I’ve seen that so many times in private matches playing solo farming VT I forgot about it. Yes, if you escape the explosion and the chopper escape cinematic plays, OR if you never encounter a Pred at all (vis-a-vis Pred freezes/crashes/quits while still alive and well) you get the chopper just flying away. Well, hot damn, FT gets 2 more win scenarios. OP can get their win, provided they escape on the chopper before the blast.

#21

Illfonic have always been unclear about who the victor of a match is, but some should be very clear.

In my opinion the only win conditions for the Fireteam are:

  • Complete the mission and have atleast one player manage to exfiltrate before the timer runs out.
  • Kill the Predator while atleast one Fireteam player survives.

And the win conditions for the Predator:

  • Make the match last long enough so the timer runs out and the Fireteam fails to exfiltrate in time.
  • Kill the whole Fireteam(with weapons or the self destruct).

To the people claiming that the Predator wins if you activate the self destruct and blow up, no matter if you kill the Fireteam or not, you people have low IQ. So you’re saying that when the round starts i can instantly walk outside boundaries, second wind myself and then activate the bomb to win within a minute? GG xD

I also believe people should stop interpret the helicopter scene above the blast zone their own ways and make up stories about win/loss, it tells us nothing about who won. We all know Illfonic lacks the ability to clear out things, fix bugs and so on. We’ve asked for this since the early days, but nope!

Why can’t we just get a big fat text message coming up saying: “The Fireteam wins!”, “The Predator wins!” or “Draw!” at the end of a round? I bet Illfonic would mess that up aswell, making the text come up that says that the Predator won even though the Fireteam killed and secured the body.

We got “Prey escaped” and the “Epic Handshake” scene. But we need a text telling us, because for some people it’s not obvious enough.

#22

This is only a win if the Predator manages to kill AND CLAIM a FT. The timeout cutscene activates if FT fails to win (and there is no pred) the same as if there is a Pred but no claims. It’s absurd that even if Pred manages to get 3 kills and a timeout its considered a draw if there wasn’t a single claim, but the game is what it is.

I don’t think the bomb activation is a win for Pred, but definitely a draw, which can be abused through exploits given the fact that pred can auto-inflict damage

Another interesting (maybe bugged) scenario is when FT manages to finish the mission and call the chopper, but no one gets on it and there were no successful exfil or claims. This, IMO, would be considered a draw, but instead it shows the FT exfil cutscene, even though no one got on the chopper. Weird, but happens.

#23

if it does count as a draw that’s still bad cause then you just throw all those matches out the window when the pred player literally died imagine the skew that could cause in data if no pred body was ever captured

“i guess preds are op cause they have 100% win rate since they never lose”

#24

I mean, I’m not saying I agree with it. I’m just stating what I interpret for it given the circumstances after analyzing the cutscenes in different scenarios.

I believe there shouldn’t be a draw, and any circumstance that could be considered a draw should determine a winner based on XP number. Maybe average FT XP vs Pred XP

#25

But i don’t think Illfonic made the cutscenes right, just like they struggle with bugs they can’t get the cutscenes right.
The Fireteam are sent into the jungle to deal with drug distrubution etc, they have a deadline to do so, if they don’t complete their mission they miss the chance of getting home and are classed as dead.

Bomb activation should be a win for the Pred if all Fireteam players die in the explosion, otherwise not. Otherwise the Predator could just activate the bomb right at the start if he/she doesn’t want to fight the Fireteam and instead claim it’s a draw.
If the bomb goess off and atleast one Fireteam player is alive, then he/she lives to tell the tale. If the Predator kills all Fireteam players in the explosion then nobody can tell in detail what happened in the jungle.

Again, Illfonic need to reword their cutscenes and make things more clear, it has been incomplete for 2 years now.

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#26

make up your mind dude. these two statements contradict themselves

#27

How do they contradict eachother when they are two different win/loss conditions?

#28

You are saying if a FT gets stranded in the jungle he is classed as dead
You are saying if a FT gets stranded in the jungle he/she lives to tell the tale

In neither of the conditions the FT member boards the chopper (or at least is not shown). And if it does, what tells you that he wasn’t rescued later on? Or that he didn’t fled to a nearby village and just settled down with a big booty local latina?

#29

Nope, i don’t, you even quoted me, read it again.

  1. “If the bomb goes off and atleast one Fireteam player is alive, then he/she lives to tell the tale.”

This means that the Predator’s bomb did not kill atleast one Fireteam player, one FT player is still alive, the timer did not run out and the FT player can continue the mission, call the chopper and go home to tell the story what happened in the jungle.

  1. “If they don’t complete their mission they miss the chance of getting home and are classed as dead.”

The Fireteam are sent into the jungle, they have a deadline of 15 minutes, they have a mission to complete and are told to reach the exfil area within that time.
If they fail to complete the mission in time and wont reach the EZ in time then the helicopter will know something didn’t go as planned and that the Fireteam will be classed as dead in the jungle.

#30

Who says that the Fireteam doesn’t complete the mission and boards the chopper after the Predator blows up?

#31

I mean, the explosion happens where the mission is. I’m pretty sure the mission objectives are destroyed.