So did they retcon predator lore?

#83

While true, I think everyone is wanking the shit out of the whole “No Smart Predator” thing.

Think about it, Isabella was taught by Royce and she herself didn’t know a whole lot of the differences between. Super Yautja and Yautja methods. This isn’t a regular Yautja Camp, this was Mr. Black’s game preserve, so it would be managed by the Super Preds who by the way, aren’t so technically inclined themselves, dressing in hides and only some metal.

How was she supposed to tell the difference between the Val Verde Incidient and the Game Preserve? Plus if she wasn’t in the conversation between Royce and Noland, unless Royce told her about it, she wouldn’t know about Yautja vs Super Yautja, or simply doesn’t care.

Plus besides this all being sorta true in terms of technological origin because Alpha nicked it from Amemgi, Yautja do know how the shit works, they make brand new weapons, technology, and advancements using said technology.

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#84

We can’t know that for sure. We have no information about the technological level of the Yautja before the “Age of Amengi”, during the “Age of Amengi”, and after the “Alpha’s Rebellion”, in which the Predators INDEPENDENTLY destroyed the Amengi as a civilization. The history of the “Rebellion” and the “Age” is so concise and schematic that we simply cannot draw any specific conclusions.

And even if they got their technologies from Amengi, they must be AT LEAST no less intelligent to put these technologies into independent mass production. And given the fact that EVERY predator has a neutron bomb packed in their Mi-Bands, they definitely put this technology on stream. And at the same time, they still manage to create the most unique designs for their equipment. So much for “stupid hunters”.

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#85

Exactly.

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#86

By conflicting with whatevers already established by the films. Everything’s beholden to the films.
Even gene editing, predator killer suit, and autism harvesting.

The amengi thing really isn’t that bad. Its better than an engineer cop out. Its like only 3 races exist in the entirety of AvP and they’re all made by engineers, its lazy. We know predator as a franchise has other alien life, let them expand on it without latching on to another franchise for dear life.
Why does everything have to be tied to Alien for you when alien films are never going to acknowledge pred? You keep talking about Pred 1’s scriptwriters but don’t acknowledge Ridley Scott who just wanted the royalties bucks, he despises AvP. He laughs anyone offstage who even mentions it to him.

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#87

Ah yes, and then proceeds to make the same plot as AvP1. Drevil_million_dollars

#88

To this day im pretty sure he said he refuses to watch them.
what does prometheus rip from avp?

#89

Predators supposedly gave the Buliding Blocks to mankind, as the Engineers did. (However they clearly went to different places if you wanna argue Predators and Engineer intervention on Ancient Earth coexisting)

Said site of discovery being a death trap.

Female protag? (A staple really but meh.)

Both Weylands are old farts looking to prolong their existence. AvP Weyland wants this in a memory sense, the Pyramid being a big discovery. Prometheus Weyland wants this literally.

#90

From the tapes -

Big ones = Supers

Man Sized Ones = normal preds no?

They were on that planet for quite a minute.
If they wanted to give an indication she had no idea what she was talking about they didnt do a very good job. Concrete statements that she’d have no reason to bring up otherwise.
Seems like another instance of predator 2018 where he somehow concluded there’s an entire civil war going on and they’re coming to earth due to climate change. The only way they came to that conclusion was by reading the script lol.
Its the writers straight up telling the audience even though its shit writing Id still consider it intentional.

#91

Regular Yautja aren’t man sized? Practically only Predators with Drawfism are man sized, like Shorty.

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#92

idk ask isabelle, illfonic’s writing.

she seemed to be talking about both preds and the subspecies unless we have a 3rd species of midget preds running around, writer error but they’re like 7-8 ft close enough

#93

What conflicts is decanonized. Like Verhaiden’s original run in “Aliens”. This is also true for a franchise, such as Star Wars. However, NONE of the examples I have given has any contradictions with the basic canon. In this list, the works are distributed at the level according to the principle “because”. That is, even by the criterion of contradictions to the main canon, the distribution is invalid. So “Out of the Shadows” does not contradict ANY of the films. I repeat, I read all this. The conditional “AvP: Dead Space” does not contradict ANY story inside the Xenoverse in ANY way, simply because it is the same separate and independent story as, for example, “Aliens: Dead Orbit”. At the same time, “Dead Orbit” lies quietly inside the main canon, but “Dead Space” fits into the non-canon for no apparent reason.

Once again, the presence of Predators in the Alien world and the commonality of this universe as a Xenoverse is an objective fact, at least because the events in which Predators were one of the main actors are directly mentioned in the canonical ENCYCLOPEDIC material on the “ALIEN” franchise (WY Report). Plus, this material is listed by Andrew in the main canon.

Ridley Scott can say whatever he wants. He is not the creator of the universe (yes, he made a significant contribution to its film realization, but he DID NOT CREATE the universe). Moreover, according to his own words, he has not watched ANY FILM IN THE FRANCHISE, EXCEPT FOR HIS OWN. The universe was invented and formed by O’Bannon, Shusett, Giger and Cobb. Scott embodied THEIR IDEAS, adding his own to them. Ridley is a great director. Was. Once. But the titular monster was NOT invented by HIM. The characters were NOT invented by HIM. And the concept of the universe was NOT invented by HIM.
And he is also not the owner of the franchise, and he NEVER WAS.

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#94

I’d also like to point out nowhere in the Tapes is there made an distinction between Yautja and Super Yautja. The O.W.L.F are caught up in the whole technology aspect.

I know this is more of extended Universe stuff but there were a lot of smaller/lesser Yautja that crowded the ships in the AVP Comics. It’s definitely a reach, but honestly either Isabelle is a unreliable narrator as she can’t even work out Pred Tech well, or Illfonic goofed up.

#95

Hold on, what exactly are you refering to? And Dead Space? I’ve read it and I didn’t think it had any link worth mentioning.

#96

WY Report. It directly mentions the events of “Fire and Stone” on the chronological map.

And there is nothing there. I just gave this comic as an example to show the invalidity of the argument about “contradictions to the main canon”. After all, Dead Space is absolutely separate and does not contradict anything to write out this comic from the canon.

#97

Alien films have a better chance of being tied to blade runner at the end of the day man.

The EU was fucked as soon as they started taking the liberty of introducing psychic powers lol. Blame the lack of quality control at fox . Just bc Thrawn became canon again in Star Wars didn’t make all of his stories canon nor a book from a seperate entity, and thats all owned by Disney. Scott owns alien from the ground up, didn’t sell out like lucas.
Scott owns the Alien IP, until he sells it to Disney what he says goes. AvP is doing its own thing, he’s very clearly moving forward without xenos in pyramids in the arctic.

not a surprise.

#98

Ah, gotcha. You get it. One of the reasons why the RPG Article is outdated.

I suppose that’s true.

#99

WHAT?! Since when does the Alien belong to Scott? The alien belongs to Fox (now Disney). Scott is not the creator of the universe and not its owner. The alien as an IP was owned by Fox EVEN BEFORE SCOTT WAS HIRED AS A DIRECTOR.

#100

They inherited Scott & Scott Free Productions with the merger. He’s his own executive producer.

https://scottfree.com/

Disney has to keep him in-house not the other way around.

#101

But the Alien as a franchise was never owned by Scott & Scott Free Productions. Just because the Company is owned by Disney does not mean that the Company owns the Franchise. If I own a refrigerator and a washing machine, it does not mean that the washing machine owns a refrigerator. The Alien was invented independently of Scott Free Productions and the Foxes owned the Alien independently of Scott Free Productions.

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#102

Agree & the first was co-produced by several studios including his. But all things considered, its him shepherding Alien through the studio, he envisioned the look, he brought it to life. Film companies go through him specifically, they try to tie things in to his sequel trilogy. He didn’t come up with every single iconic element that we now remember as Alien, but he did the heavy lifting. Geiger and the writers can come up with an idea, mock it up and then go off and have tea. Ridley will forever be tied to those movies though & when he made the first and what we’re getting now its his final call, & his head on the block if things went badly. They are stuck following whatever scott’s doing because he can pull the franchise in any direction without studio interference.
Everyone knows these directors whose early success puts them in a position where they don’t have to answer to anybody and their films suffer for that fact.

to stay on topic though, alien’s shepherded hard. Preds issue is it gets no shepherding at all & theres little chance the original scriptwriters win that fight with disney.