Not reading it. I’m really not. You’ve built a reputation for wasting my time, being that dude who REFUSES to be wrong or even consider you may be wrong. So I’m not having these kinds of convos with you anymore as it’s a confirmed waste of my time. And before you say “no you!” Just know I can literally @ multiple people who can tell you, we have had a discussion, and I’ve changed my mind. Shit I’ve even changed my mind talking to you before. But you are so bothered by being incorrect it’s a hassle to discuss anything like this with you
The issue with the Trophies
Yeah, the first two films were made relatively close together, and they’re not too different thematically or stylistically (though the first is the best obviously!)
The problem is when you get these long gaps and new filmmakers and creatives who, perfectly reasonably, want to add their own creative spin on the source material, and naturally the results can vary dramatically given that this isn’t exactly a high brow respected franchise in the first place.
I have many issues with ‘Predators’ but the thing that probably annoyed me the most (more so than even the lazy ‘super Pred’ trope) was that stupid sword fight - the guy playing the Pred was moving around like he was a wild ape - a stark contrast from Kevin Hall’s majestic and menacing movements.
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Bro. Agreed agreed and agreed
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And at first I didint mind the larger predators, with my thought being “well some humans are anomalies and are like 7 foot plus so, who’s to say there can’t be just a massive predator” then we saw they were literally like a sub species which made them way lamer lol.
Then don’t bother
Either wait till you can read or don’t respond there’s no shame in that
But quit trying to call me out with no evidence
Everything is a waste of time
If you don’t enjoy having a conversation why bother
I could say the same about you considering it takes two to argue and your right there with me “wasting your time”
In fact since you clearly can’t leave the conversation yourself I’ll do it for you and quit “wasting my time”
Sigh. There’s evidence. Like. Lots and lots of it. You literally just pick and choose what you wanna respond to.
Also you can’t say the same about me. I admit when I’m wrong lol. Like again YOU JUST PICK AND CHOOSE!! Care to respond to the other bit? Where I said I’ve had my mind changed by others, and even you once? Oh you don’t wanna talk about that? Go figure
OH MY GOD YOUR A GENIUS
I LOST ONE ARGUMENT OH NO
IM AM SORRY OH GOD FOR I DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING
I AM SORRY FOR IGNORING YOUR MASSIVE INTELLECT AND FOR NOT STROKING YOUR EGO
HOW COULD I FORGET THAT I NEED TO ANKNOWLEDGE EVERY ARGUMENT EVERY TIME EVEN WHEN I HAVE NO ANSWERS
FORGIVE ME PLEASE
Here you are AGAIN speaking INCOHERENTLY. I said NOTHING About you losing an argument to me I said when I was incorrect talking to YOU I admitted it. You literally can’t read, or can’t comprehend, one or the other. Cause everything you just said is irrelevant to what I’d just said. My ENTIRE point was I admit when I’m wrong. Lordy you are DENSE
You were calling me out for not responding to an argument
But let’s put that aside and say that’s bad communication
I’m saying I didn’t have a counter argument so I let it be
If I don’t respond to it, it’s a win for you
Yes you’ve changed your mind before congratulations you’ve won that point for now no need to drive it into the dirt and bring it back up
Ok. Well. It’s almost 6 in the morning here. So I’ll Just say, it’s been fun. And I hope you know, I do like you lol you’re a cool guy. Just when we debate it seems to usually go in circles but maybe that’s my bad for not understand your style of debating (just not answering things you feel you have no answer for) as I thought you were just ignoring things. In that case, my bad
James Cameron believes these trophies are passed down through generations. But it’s not impossible that some preds could be 2 or 3 hundred years old. Like elder pred in predator 2. His flintlock trophy could be from his youth.
interesting take what are the inconsistencies and contradictions?
Ya time travel makes sense to me
The Predator (it’s canon) established they use wormholes
And of course don’t forget the fuckin Egyptian sword lol. Making you thousands upon thousands upon thousands of years old. Like 6000 years if im not mistaken, and that’s at the minimum.
Why is this a problem for me? Mostly just cause it seems fuckin lazy dude. And the fuckin SPARTAN SPEAR HOW DID I FORGET. Bro the fuckin SPARTANS??? What’s that like 10,000 years or more? Elder is old as fuck and looks weathered at age 200?
This is you man. Your words. What you just said to be does not make sense at all. Sure the Egyptians outlived the Spartans but they are still older than the Spartans by existing before the Spartans did. When the world was 10,000 years ago, the Ice Age, Pleistocene era, the Stone Age if you will, was still going about while the Spartans rose during the Bronze age. Since this quote you said seems to indicate to me that you don’t realize where this fits, the Stone Age came first, which is estimated about 10,000 years ago and then the Bronze Age which is estimate around 1700 BCE, far later after the Stone Age. Sparta rose to dominance in the 6th century BC. All of this can be looked up in a timeline sourced by historians. If this is your way of thinking, we are going to have a hard time here big “hoss”.
Illfonic went on the record by interviews with other outlets like AVPGalaxy that Fox made PHG canon. Just like Alien Isolation is canon to the Alien series, so is this game to Predator. That’s it, everything in it is canon until Fox says otherwise.
At the same time, you have no real source, proof, or word by any director that the Elder is ONLY 200 years old, when its suggested that that’s at least the age we know but not the final. Unless you have actual sources that can back up your reasoning, all you have to go by is just theories and nothing more. I like to see some sort of actual data before we can continue this discussion, otherwise this is pointless.
You guys are thinking too hard on these trophies. Just take a look at the medal for gods sakes. It basically serves no canonical purpose.
My take is, it could be part of a new concept in the future, its just that there is not too much emphasis on it right now but more like a work in progress.
But if they had a “kill and take” system that would be boss.
Yeah my words I said 6000 years minimum dumb dumb. Egypt existed before, AND after, Spartans. So you’d have to go 6000 years back to meet an Egyptian. But you still would not be able to meet a Spartan. Yikes. Intelligence is harder and harder to come by these days
Thats not my point of the discussion. My point is talking about the lifespan of Predator longevity being far longer than what Llama thinks it is. If you want to discuss Predators trophy taking then yeah, its a “kill and take” system. I thought the intention is clear on the subject but I suppose here it goes over many heads.
If you want to talk about the medal, it belongs to a legendary boxer correct? Seems like the Predator wanted to go hand to hand with the Boxer, as he must be that skilled and powerful to attract the Predator’s attention, fought and won the battle, took his head and the medal as trophies. Predators are not shy about going hand to hand for a good fair fight after all. I even recall the old first Batman vs Predator, when the first victim was a championship boxer in Gotham. Hell, the Predator even took his hands too as trophies which was pretty metal from the usual spine/skull combo.
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