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2024 Ranking all Predator Classes by Samhain13
Tf are you doing
i would have thrown it but i dont trust my own aim
listen, I already said that I donāt think heās the best, but heās definitely S class, and when you talk about your matches, donāt forget the fact that people are playing against you with ping 300, which they themselves have noticed many times, it makes the game very difficult, get me right, I donāt think youāre a weak player or something in this way, and in general, Iām not trying to carry a negative, but I definitely think that if the games were on equal ping with the same gesp, thunder, in prime, they would win more than they lost, I personally played private matches against you and I can confirm that itās more difficult to play with ping 300.
Voorhees generally said everything correctly above, the main thing is how you feel the game and take action, and banal luck can also help both the predator and the squad. To be honest, I havenāt seen very strong predators in the game for a long time, who could be on the same level with me when Iām in prime, upload your videos on a predator against strong teams with normal ping from the squad, Iāll see if itās not difficult for you, But in general, super mega strong predators in the game can count on your fingers (for the entire history of the game)
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in general, Iām glad that you rose so much, I remember the times when you scored 500 damage in private matches, then many more good people played the game, so your progress is certainly visible especially to me. and special thanks for the video of what youāre doing and everything like that
for ps4, you play slightly below average, any good pc team will kill you (without negativity) Iām just saying what I think. therefore, it is certainly not for you to judge which classes are good in the game. For PS4, black is certainly not the best class because you have difficult controls
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below average my ass u prick, behold my slightly above average predator frisbee gameplay!!
edit: holy shit now that iām watching these older clips, the pred leap speed update is extremely obvious
In public games I would have 100+ping vs them, and ping affects predator way more, when I played fireteam vs them I had 300+ ping and it never really bothered me. For predator to have 0 ping, fireteam is gonna have a high one.
I still wouldnāt put Mr Black on S, Im comparing all pred classes in the same situation, so it doesnt matter the conditions of the match.
I have videos with high ping vs pc fireteams:
If they are using support you will sure prefer to have stalker or analytic over vicious. You need more damage and Mr. Black cant do more damage
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I know. Iāve done similar against players of a similar skill bracket to myself with most classes on the game.
I agree that winning against a good team with a class doesnāt necessarily make it good or S Tier. I didnāt say it did really either. Iām mainly pointing out the consistency of wins you can get with Mr Black that are at least somewhat of an indicator as to whether he is a good class or not, and I win most Private Matches I play when I use Mr Black. I just used some examples to show as a peak of the feats achievable with him when you master him. I mean itās obviously by no means a testament to just saying the Class is very good, as there are a lot more factors to consider than just Class stats. Skill plays a large part, RNG plays a large part, the Fireteam Classes play a large part, the Fireteam missions play a large part, and other various things. But, I can safely say youād more than likely be racking up a higher win rate with Mr Black than with most classes in the game outside of S Tier.
If youāre using something like Exiled, Scout or Falconer for example your win rate is obviously going to be lower than it would be when using a better class in the high A Tiers & S Tier. In fact in most cases it will become borderline impossible to win particularly if the Fireteam get good RNG.
I already factored all this in. I get what youāre saying but still, itās not like we are talking about Berserker or Exiled class. We are talking about Mr Black. The amount of games you win with Berserker or Exiled doesnāt really have anything to do with Mr Black as a class. Unless youāre trying to make some kind of correlation to do with win rates, in which case Mr Black would obviously be the better class because the likes of you or I obviously win more often against other players in an equivalent skill bracket to ourselves when using Mr Black as opposed to using e.g. Exiled.
Thats something that has more to do with the level of ft players than the class.
You were using a video as an example.
Which can be performed better with other classes
Elder, Hunter, City, Cleo all performed same level.
Mr. Black has clear cons next to the S tier classes, compare him to Pirate, similar perk/gear points, but he is slower, will do less damage and only has 150hp more to make up for that, its just about comparing the right stats that matter more. With Analytic you can kill downed ft just as fast as you can with Vicious + more dmg when they are up.
You mentioned Cleo being S but if you compare to Scar, she doesnt infinite thermal + less energy + less stamina than even Hunter while Scar has stamina of a Scout. Objectively Scar cant be in the same tier unless you put him in a S+.
Mr. Black with Stalker could be S tier no problem. There are games I know I won with Celtic but wouldnāt with Mr. Black.
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And the level of the Predator player.
Yes, to show how efficient Mr Black can be.
I know.
For you.
I know. Iāve already established that I agree with him being A+ Tier. Iām just saying I can understand why e.g. Prozi may place him in S Tier.
With the correct build you can make Cleo have arguably better stamina than Scar, and she is still a high health, decent speed, high gear class, with decent perk points. She may not have as much energy thatās true, although Iām not aware of how much energy each class has specifically. But, Cleo can still perform very well. Wolf is in S Tier and Cleo literally has around the same stamina as him at Base. The last time I tested it (albeit a while ago) they could do the same number of consecutive leaps. Wolf may have generally slightly better Travel Speed & Evasion capabilities because he is the fastest class in the game, but they still have roughly the same stamina. Plus, Wolf doesnāt have the advantage of Bear Traps unlike Cleo. Cleo also has a better spec in Stalker than the likes of Assassin for Wolf. These two are very comparable & Wolf is in S Tier alongside Scar & Celtic. You can make a very fair case for Scar & Celtic being better than both of them, but Cleo still deserves a place in S Tier IMO.
Oh absolutely. Definitely agreed there.
The same could count for the ones I posted with Exiled. Exiled, Scout can also be efficient vs fireteams of the same level sometimes. The level of the fts matters and rng. With Exiled it was just because of getting luck with traps using disciplined.
A while ago Dan tried to argue the same thing with Mr Black and it only made his winrate worse, he performed better with City Hunter, which ended up changing back.
Then you sacrifice one perk so she can pretty much same as Scar, while he can still pick 3 perks, thats like having 1 less perk. Cleo is slower than Scar and only has 50 hp more.
Scar has 1400, Cleo has 1300 but in practice its gonna be more since his energy doesnt drain from one source.
Thing is Wolf stamina regeneration which is a different stat is higher so for him its not much of a problem.
Wolf is better for a different playstyle, for combi/bow up close assassin > stalker and for plasma from branches he can do the impenetrable+heightadvantage+downrange combo which is enough to make for the spec. Wolf is a special case on the tier, as long you are always hitting the bow shots he will be better. He can only be S in a certain way, is the only class that can do the later build well. I ranked the classes in the best builds they can be.
The one viable strategy for Exiled in Privatesš
Well thatās unfortunateš
Fair point. In practice it doesnāt turn out too badly, but statistically it is something Scar has over Cleo.
You mean because he has infinite thermal & Cleo doesnāt?
Which classes in S Tier have the best Stamina regen rate then? Because Iāve only just recently got back into playing the game & the new sprint toggle change they made back in the last patch makes it feel like every Predator has terrible stamina regen because Iām used to holding down sprint as opposed to toggling it like in F13th The Game.
Thatās true actually. His speed also makes it harder to hit you up close so it synergises pretty well.
His speed allows you to run behind cover before ft can shoot you, literally saved my life being able to get behind a tree a second sooner while a class like Mr Black would have taken longer + you can try to run around the ft to hit them in the back for the extra damage
Yea if both start using thermal and cloak together his energy will last way longer, its not just 100 more energy it will drain slower too.
Scar and Celtic.
new challenge: everyone can only play exiled now
Yeah Wolf is basically the much better version of what the old Combi+Bow aggressive playstyle used to be like on the Jungle Hunter & City Hunter back in the day.
So he has a larger energy capacity, infinite thermal, and generally better energy recovery rates?
I was playing as them both the other day & it still felt like I was practically locked in place & couldnāt leap. Ig itās just the sprint toggle as I still havenāt got used to it yet.
They really just butchered the Predator overall in the last patch. Thatās the general concensus Iāve come to so far.
In comparsion to Cleo yea
CLEO
Health Points - 1450
Movement Speed - 9.9 m/s
Stamina Capacity - 1050
Stamina Regeneration/sec - 135
Energy Capacity - 1300
Energy Regeneration/sec - 90
Overload Cooldown - 14.5 seconds
SCAR
Health Points - 1400
Movement Speed - 10.3 m/s
Stamina Capacity - 1295
Stamina Regeneration/sec - 165
Energy Capacity - 1400
Energy Regeneration/sec - 98
Overload Cooldown - 14.25
I mean now some people can get the exact numbers from game files, this was a Scar vs Wolf comparison done by Jelou a while ago:
Yeah all the slightly better stats add up in the end.
Atp itās basically a toss-up between Scar & Celtic as to which is the best class in the game overall.
