Thats because without the other two you are fucked as the ft. Another reason that the ft should be able to second wind pred single handedly. Reinforcements wouldnt be required then.
As I said this would also significantly reduce queue times
I dont want to play as predator anymore.
I do get what you want, I just think at this point it wonāt work inside the current Hunt mode.
Itās good that you considered how the FT team players would react. I just think it would be more than you considered.
After a couple of games, they might just switch to something else. This is what happens with the game Hunt, people get fed up.
Ofc hence why i said
Sorry, my bad. Thought we were debating it in Hunt again.
No worries lol.
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This games has something called draining the other side of resources. No, it should not be the same, it should not be FT members getting screwed (we are already getting screwed every patch) so the pred get faster que, this is just BS!
Do you have any idea how many times I wait to be the last guy at the evac so otherās can leave? I run randoms, you will not believe how bad some people are and if I donāt do that, theyāre dead. Now you want to punish me for doing team play and ending up dead? Instead of team play this would promote you being selfish and evacuate as fast as possible. And this is just one example.
And yet predator who is the smaller of the two, also has easily the least amount of resources to spare. In most cases, not even enough to use against the FT the first time, let alone after a reinforcement.
I agree, However I dont take sides anymore. Both sides are fucked because the balance is fucked. Additions on either side easily can be looked at by the other side as unfair. The balance is too delicate in its current state. Hence the need for a rework.
I would believe because I play alone 24/7. The playerbase is grade A dumb in most respects. Waiting to be last to evac is worthless though. let the bad ones die. They wont learn any other way.
absolutely. Your only goal should be survival. Killing pred should be a rare scenario, and when it does happen, the person who survived long enough to take the killing shot should be rewarded.
Evacuation really should be the goal for every FT. Team play doesnt really exist in this game other than the āstrenth in numbersā mentality the game forces. Otherwise, it might as well be every man for himself. Thats what happens when your playerbase is casual console players for the most part that have never worked in a team once in their lives, have no mic, and also suck at video games. basically, tough shit.
Predators at least have infinite ammo on most things they have. They have less medkits but with pigs they can supliment.
The goal is to play as a team and survive, not surviving at any cost. The first promotes bad game play. Success trough team play should be rewarded.
Team play does exist in this game, its just that not everybody does it. I do and Iāve seen others do it. Now its up to the devs what they want to promote.
Infinite ammo means nothing when FT have infinite healing (at least enough so that they have as much healing as needed for the entirety of a match.) As for medkits, you have two of those, and technically an unlimited supply of half medkits if you count second winds. However, pigs is unreliable, and really RNG dictates how powerful they are. Not to mention popping preds mask removes any ability to track, find pigs, accurately fire the plasma caster, and detect noise visually. This means that you can take away preds most valuable tool, relatively easily. Crippling him for the rest of the match.
Team play exists, however unless you are in a premade team, its nonexistant. And no, I dont consider sticking together teamplay. Thats just common sense. The issue is, the game doesnt reward it currently, and though it should reward it pending a rework, it should be a reward in the sense of spotting pred or reviving teamates. NOT sacrificing yourself for your teamates. The goal should be to survive for each FT member. That simplifies things. makes it easier for them to rip out the reinforcement mechanic, and reward you properly for things YOU did, not your teamates.
If everybody runs support with gearhead (or whatever its called) perhaps you could say that. People donāt. Dutches/assaults and the rest have 2 stims. Assaults most of the time bring ammo bag. Not even close to infinite healing. Stims donāt even heal to full. Predators a also have the potential to 1 shoot.
Pigs are unreliable but at least the FT canāt destroy them like predator can to gear that spawns for the FT (and good predators will destroy those). A predator will also get first to pigs unless he is unlucky and the spawn is close to where the FT are doing the mission.
Taking the mask is not easy, you need some pro players there with snipers to do it. In my games, its very rare when that happens.
When I am the last man there I donāt do it with the āsacrificeā in mind. I do it thinking I am the most likely to be the last and survive. Again, that is just 1 example. I can give you more. Spotting and revival is the least team work oriented things people can do. Keeping line of sight(or make sure you have a fast way of getting to them) and ensuring he can reach everybody if the predator jumps on them is another team oriented move.
Unfortunately balance has to revolve around how exploitable stacking the same classes, with the same perks/gear/weapons/etc. Because of how easily thats exploited. Ive never seen a pred 1 shot anyone, but assuming the FT is relatively close together, in most scenarios he will not be able to secure that kill.
Killing pigs as FT only marks them on preds map. so thats counter productive because you are giving him free healing. Pred being able to destroy gear is a rarity as its often out of his reach, unless placed lazily. Taking the mask only really requires people to aim for the head. In the first engagement you can remove preds mask without the use of snipers, simply by everyone aiming for it. Then hes crippled for the rest of the match quite badly.
I really dont understand the scenario with which you are describing here clearly. so please explain in detail.
The teamwork you are describing here, is teamwork that is already rewarded as it is done. The only scenario with which removing reinforcements obstructs your teamwork, is in that you wont be rewarded for doing the most damage. But in all honesty, Who the fuck cares who did the most damage. you are rewarded for the damage you do, but if you die in the process than you dont deserve the kill. So going back to the original discussion, this is quite irrelevant.
Dude, you need to be realistic of what you find in games, not the most broken comps/scenarios. Go play randoms and see if you have infinite healing.
The spear is very close to 1 shoot. The damage the NPC do is enough for the predator to 1 shoot most classes. Also the barrels. Just time your attack.
I know what killing the pigs does, randoms tend to kill them when they see them. Destroying gear is not out of reach. Usually it can be done from the doorway or from a good angle, you just need to know where they spawn. After all this time I know where most of them do.
Simple everybody aiming for the maskā¦ Yes, youāre talking about 4 man pro premades here. I donāt remember the last time Iāve seen the mask pop in randoms.
Iāve seen pro players fighting pro predators and if the mask does go down, its by the end of the game.
I mean that when I wait to be the last to leave at the chopper I donāt do it thinking I am sacrificing myself, I am just thinking I have the best odds of being last and leaving alive.
If you donāt get the rewards for winning a game its going to remove the motivation to support your team if that means you put yourself in danger! I will say it again, this promotes bad game play. As long as one leaves, the entire team should get the reward if this is a team based game. If you play COD or other games and you do 0 kills the entire game and the others compensate for you and the team wins, YOU WIN.
man im tired of arguing this tbh
Look ima put it simply. The game doesnt work on any level. At casual level, the balance is trash because pred can easily wipe a team that has no communication. On the other hand, at pro level, a pred player has no fucking chance whatsoever. Thats not fun. It needs to be reworked. All of it. Every last fucking thing. So when you argue with me about the removal of reinforcements, Understand there is a thousand other fucking changes that need to be made to make it work. I dont have the time to argue with you and explain every detail. If you want a big picture, go read my rework post.
If you are dying, its because either you are doing something wrong, or your teamates suck at communicating, and sticking together. Thats the reality of the game, Thats one of those deal with it moments. All you can do is try to make friends to play with and queue in premade if you want to win.
If you think that aiming for the head is what differentiates casuals from pros, then you are dead wrong. Meta Abuse is how pros get off. aiming for the head is common sense in any shooter game, and anyone who hasnt figured that out is really just bad imo. That being said, this game fucks with its players because all of the AI actually take MORE shots to kill when aiming for the head because of the dumb ass armor system. It literally punishes the reflexes of decent players. just another thing that needs to be reworked.
Im sorry, but if you die, you didnt win. In the first pred movie, the only person who āWonā was arnie, because he was the only one that survived. You dont get rewarded when other players escape in any other assym. You get rewarded for what you did personally, despite the teamwork involved. Reinforcements is a shitty mechanic, and needs to be removed entirely. That will (dare I say) fix queue times. It will also remove dumb ass FTās trying to rush pred. Both sides will have to play smarter with my proposed changes.
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sorry if that was rude man. Just tired of arguing the smaller details on a picture that is so disfigured it needs to be repainted
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Well y not?
Because it would just piss off too many players.
You have no idea how many people would walk away from the game.
Forcing people to play ft would be stupid.
What would be the point in only having a chance to play pred?
The ques are the way they are more so cause ppl walking away cause of bugs.
I know plenty of willing ft players, so the ques arent long cause everyone wants to play pred. Hell, I even play ft more than pred now a days.
But when I do play pred, if it gets switched to the stupid chance system , there would be no fucking point in me even trying to play it then.
Not only that, what if Iām playing with my buddies as ft, and all of a sudden, nope, Iām the fkn pred, meanwhile they get a stupid fkn random on their team cause of random choice.
Yeah no, fuck that.
If I want to play pred, then I want that option available.
Same for ft. If Iām with my buddies, I want to do ft, not fkn play pred vs them, and their experience gets ruined because a fkn twice baked potato took my spot.
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Fine, I donāt win buy right now I get different daily/weakly points if I am dead. If you implement what you said, this goes away. Is this way better? This game does not have a WIN/LOSE screen at the end so its up for interpretation but in the vast amount of games out there, if your team wins, YOU WIN.
The game is fun playing as both ft and pred so I have no issue in it being chance. And to get into lobbies would take like 20 seconds. So wut u play as ft or pred one time big deal. Overall u would get to play pred more with a chance system than the current system cuz it takes so long to get into matches.
When people that want to play as predator donāt get it, they start leaving. Its a bad idea.
Iām not impatient tho. I will wait until I get a turn.
But honestly itās just stupid on both sides.
If Iām trying to play a certain side, I dont want to be forced to play the other.
I love how you dont take into consideration what I said about ppl playing in a full party. Ppl who que together arent trying to fight each other. Theyāre trying to team up.
So this wouldnāt only fuck over pred mains, this would fuck over ft mains as well. And what of those who want to practice or focus on a side?
You wanna take that away from them, simply to make ques faster?
How god damn selfish can you be.
If I wanted to play vs the ppl on my friends list, Iād just play privates.
And after a few rounds, that gets boring.
You definately wonāt be playing the pred more often with that mechanic. Youād get to play it an estimate of 1 out of 5 times. So you have to play about 4 ft matches until you play one pred match.