Man these are heavily biased in favor of Predator players. You guys writing up these re-balance and rework threads need to ask yourselves one question before any other. Are these ideas going to be fun for everyone and not just me? Every thread like this I’ve come across inevitably boils down to suggesting things that cater to that person’s play style while nerfing or outright eliminating elements they don’t like and/or struggle against. That’s not balance.
Old rework post, ignore. (Fresh post linked)
I did ask myself that question as well as the community. And of the 27 people that voted. 85% liked all or most of the changes.
That being said. As much as this guide is certainly in the predators favor (its a fucking predator game. If you want a perfectly fair fight, then dont play assymetrical games.) I still designed it in the sense that a single FT member has the ability to take down the predator in a 1v1 if they play smart. This means that predator has to play smart too. Take his time. This also means that as FT when you do manage to kill predator, it is highly rewarding.
And as far as balance goes, this guide goes out of its way to give every weapon on pred side a purpose. Which leads to more diversity to the fights one will face than “berz combi”.
I also intended to go through the FT weapons and rebalance them but that is far more difficult. So I only added what I could without the in depth part.
And last thing is, I dont have any issue playing either side in this game. Nor do I have a specific playstyle. I simply dont find the game fun because when it comes to playing as predator, you are either playing against literal bot players and wiping them.
Or you are coming across moderately decent fireteams that have no issue abusing the broken aspects of the game, which makes playing as pred not fun because at that point your only playstyle is to get up close and play fast.
As FT its extremely boring because 99% of the time you wipe the predator (or in some cases you straight hunt him) and boom match is done in 5 minutes. Or you fight a berzerker who (unless you are using very specific weapons) cannot be killed solo. And these are usually the matches where you have the dipshit teamates that run off for no reason.
Not to mention theres no tension as the fireteam. Its over too soon in most matches unless pred is playing like a pussy (which he cant afford to do because the time is way too in the fireteams favor)
I just find it ironic that most of the people who accuse me of being biased with this guide, are in fact biased themselves and thats why they disagree with it. I looked at this from both perspectives and while I dont claim that its perfect, its a hell of a lot better than what we have now.
And last thing. Im the Only person who has taken the time to think out a total rework for the entire game. Until other people start putting the time into it I have, I am purely gonna rely on the input of community members who are willing to take the time to present their thoughts about specific things, or put forth new ideas. Their opinions matter most to me, not anyone elses.
(The only other person that comes close is DDog with his 1.09 ideas. But the vast majority of his notes are technical changes, quality of life. And other small changes around the game. Its not quite as big picture as mine. At least not last I checked.)
And yet at the same time. For a lot of things it wasnt just me who made all this up. we as a community talked about a lot of these things and thats how they made it into the guide. I merely did what I could to make certain pieces fit properly with the rest.
Oh mate. Im watching ur guide updates every day and see all the pros and cons in it.
First of all, no offence man. We were discussing that all previously, so u probably knowthat im not gonna barking here.
- Zerker has already been nerfed. Idk why there is so much hate about him, he is extremely weak for now. Hunter is two head above. Return its damage at least.
2.FT SHOULD be able to mud up at any time. Especially with new dlc dutch. I mean it was an understandable idea, but now it doesn`t make any sense.
- Combi was nerfed enough, right now there is no point in it as a melee weapon - elder sword way better.
4.Well… That is going to be ccontraversial. I mean i like the stealth kills for FT idea, but see-
And now -
How can u stealth kill that patrol? It is 6 of them. I know, u will say supressor and so on, but still. Reduce the number of patrol members down to 4 - it would be way better.
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Classes idea is good, but only in predator meaning. I mean, zerker with limited gear but great stamina is fine, it is how it should be. But FT scout with big amount of gear… Doesn`t make any sense.
classes are pretty fine by now, no need to do these things about them. Just make scount sprint slower, whilst support faster a little, that is all. -
We dont have enough data to balance the FT weapons now, leave it to devs. The only thing we can truly do - is to say utterly lowd that minigun needs foking rework.
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No need to make this in that meaning -
we were speaking about that somewhere here on the forum, but i definetely did not mean anything like that. Predator will never get close enough to perform stealth kill on it s feet. Leaping already making a lot of noise so experienced FT wont be staying and waiting to be killed - it just wont be a big issue.
No, they shouldn`t. Just why? Is it some special nano-mud? It is totally ok by now.
there is no need in it. Leaping is the main way to quickly traverse the map, sprinting stamina is fine now. Zerker needs less stamina burning on sprint,probably, any other class - no.
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well, idk. contraversial. Yep, i know:
but plasma caster is already not the easiest weapon to use, and making direct hits with it is not the way it should be used.
I think it is better to state it like that: Handheld plasma Plasma ball should deal a little AOE damage, but increase its damage to 50, whilst ammo capacity to 3-4. Should be able to down anyone with one clip, but only if u do not miss. Or even make it predator`s"shotgun" - dealing for 100 damage with one shot but only in 2-3 meters. but that way we need like 2-3 ammo capacity.
War club agree. Gotta see it first, now it is just complete trash.
Elder sword is fine by now.
Combi stick is fine by now. I guess, it should deal a little more damage, but it can be just like it now, it is fine.
Nope, that is one of the biggest pressure tool fo predator against experienced FT. Just need to put some kind of cooldown for leap slam, for example 20-25 sec, to prevent slam spam. When im playing FT if predator leap slamming me through the ceiling - i just getting out and start to shoot him with my team, cuz otherwise we will take a lot of free damage from predator. Just shouldn`t spam it, that is all.
Mostly everything else would be a great changes.
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Gonna preface this with a quote.
Now lets get into it.
I put in the end that I want all of the combi and zerker nerfs reverted. so this is null.
As for the mudding, I agree with dutches audio logs, it makes no god damn sense. But for the sake of gameplay, regardless of the characters, I think it should be kept. If people are that butthurt, then dutch himself should be able to mud up pre first contact, but only dutch.
yeah assassinations are always gonna be controversial, however these can be prevented by simply not standing still for more than 3 seconds.
either you avoid them, or you kill them with suppressors. Only one of them actually wont die from a single headshot.
I agree but if you change the design philosophy of one team, you gotta change the other too. That being said I think this works very well as it also plays into the new playstyles for war club and Combi Stick. The Combi stick has the range to potentially hit an enemy scout running away. so its a counter to the scout. The war club has the parry breaking, which means its an effective counter to the supports that have no choice but to parry.
Sprint speed wont matter because stamina will now dictate how fast each fireteam member moves, Both should be roughly equal, but the scout is faster in small bursts, where as the support is slower, in longer jogs.
Yeah thats why ive avoided the ft weapons so far minus a few things
pred being fully invis while crouch walking will allow a patient predator to sneak into the fireteam. However footsteps are still gonna be audible, so if the FT is paying attention, they can catch and punish the attempt.
The fireteam currently is light blue in thermal, which defeats the purpose of the mud, other than to prevent target isolation (which I completely removed.)
This is simply to make it clear that the sprints are different between the FT and the pred. Sprinting for the pred, will consume less stamina (because with this change the scout wont be able to spam leaps anymore, and berzerker has such a small leap range that its more efficient just to sprint) where as on the FT side I made sprints far more consuming, so that the FT cannot just sprint across the map anymore.
The point of this is to literally immediately, give the AOE to the handheld which gives it a purpose. It also forces the weapon with infinite ammo, to be a skillshot weapon, instead of something you have to spam.
Okay so I have several reasons why I completely changed the handheld. First of all, it counters the removal of the slam which you so graciously disagree with at the end here.
But also, because the concept for the handheld is dumb af in the first place, when you have the shoulder cannon. The shoulder cannon, on release, 1 shot downed, had incredible aoe, and could be spammed
the handheld did slightly more damage than the uncharged plasma, and was really only ever useful if you had an enemy with like near zero health that you couldnt quite reach with a melee.
So I took the AOE from the shoulder cannon, took the aoe from the slam going through buildings (Which is very cheap) and turned the handheld into a pred nade launcher. This will be a very important tool for breaking up fireteams that like to stay so close together they can touch each others butts.
Just like the plasma caster aoe was removed to give the handheld purpose,
the combistick is losing its multiple target hit potential, to give to the elder sword.
The combi stick is now a ranged poke weapon, good for countering runners, as I said.
The war club is now a good counter for supports.
Either way, it comes back to what I quoted at the start. I dont care how good or bad things are now. If I made a change, it was to counter another change I made. So I did it for a reason, and while you may not understand that reason, it exists.
That about wraps it up. Glad to be able to argue all of my points. thank you for quoting it all, makes it easier. sorry I only quoted half of this, not gonna go back to quote things I missed.
Np, still great work. Whatever, I don’t really believe devs will implement it, sadly.
I would like to try everything at first, before saying rather its good or not, some things are really controversial, even in the angle of your whole post. I guess, that is why every game today had its own tts and so on.
And totally forgot-why don’t u add the third weapon for FT?
Pistol shall be like always with me. Idk, im working in the army and there is no fokin trouble to carry my pistol at all, it its so strange to see empty holster on my character.
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I dont see why the ft wouldnt be carrying a pistol. Though for the most part im kinda done with adding stuff in. If I add it itll be tomorrow
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Bump
Yo man dont quit working on the rework, I like most of it, just not all of it and I do apologize for that very rude reply I posted yesterday. I should of not taken my frustration out on you, I’m just pissed that the game is in this bare bones condition. So pls continue working on it, I appreciate it and alot of people appreciate it. And again I do apologize.
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No worries. It wasnt your reply that saltified me. It was something happening IRL so sorry i took that out here. Thank you tho man
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he didn’t give false info, go read the lore it’s accurate
4 AM necromancy is the best
There’s a lot of people who joined the forum yesterday around the exact same time and started created threads/ replying to each other… I half suspect they’re the same person. 🤨
Hmm public your profile detective?
Nothing there to hide, i’m sure