Possible Hack, Cheat or Bug

Yeah, that’s true, some “shouters” out there. But, man, that is true for todays society too. We just have to cope with that fact:)

What is important, is that those, who come with manners, are not quiet. History has shown, that then terrible things can happen…

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Yeah , i just save my energy for something that is actually meaningful. I dont need this forum to feel like I have achieved something and as far as I can see , its just opinions that there are no hacks and no actual facts , the facts that there is something strange? Well there is no shortage of people with stories about versing pc players at this game , and console players aswell . Its a two way street and not so one way as they like to think

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Preserving the energy just for things you actually can change is a very wise notion - I am still exercising this, I hope, one day, I will manage that fully:)

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Theres an old saying , “you can win a hard fought debate with an intelligent person , but its impossible to win a debate with an idiot”.

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Well that’s the thing, many PC players around here love to shit talk console players and lump them all to the same camp of they’re just inferior in every way and may as well be children, can’t aim at all, don’t know how to play the game, etc.

if you so much as say PC players cheat either through legitimate hacks or the use of macros then they will get beyond triggered.

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Oh I know mate 😁 trust me , I’ve been on here long enough . Even console players can buy addons for controllers which are basically macros . I’ve seen shady shit against console and pc , usually if you get such a reaction ? It could mean there just might be some truth to what you say

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To be honest, I am not sure whether those “intelligent” people can be found in reality at all. If it comes to arguments I more and more get the impression, that they are just “used” to enforce the own ideas in general.

Some centuries ago, a guy stated, that he has proof, that the earth might not be flat. They locked him in a tower.

That is exactly the same what is happening today when your arguments does not fit the purpose of other people - if you are lucky, otherwise it also can happen, that you are burnt…
And this unfortunately is (still) true for science as well in my experience.

So, it unfortunately is not just a question of intelligence:)

But Arnie, we should not discuss this in this thread as this thread was meant as an error report, right?:)

Have a good day…

Yeah , start a social consteuct thread and we can take it from there 😄 but it goes back around to the line between bugs and possible hacks . I’ve heard of the t-pose bug but only witnessed it once . The specialisations bug needs to be high priority to patch

I havent had to delete my data not even once so yeah still fishy

He literally posted a thread about it.

Illfonic literally says to do this as a fix for a lot of problems including loadouts

OldKingHamlet himself says he has to do this often enough he forgets to reselect specializations…???

Are you serious or did you get bored under a bridge somewhere?

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I’ve never had to do it either 😁 even when the loadout bug was happening , it just stopped on its own

Yay?

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Yet i’ve been in several forums in several different games if there only 1 dev replying in the forum it means the game shit and the company doesn’t want to put more resources on the forum do to them trying to patch a game that was released half assed.

Dude , the pattern with this game is that they need to patch the patches

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lucky you :)

There is some truth in that. The forum is not well maintained. It would be nice to hear a little more from the official ones in this forum. I did not get a single answer from illfonic on any forum request yet. In the end, I had to find out the solutions for myself most of the time…

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Soooooo true… :)

The most feared thing in this game is not the predator, it is the patches…

It sounds comedic , but its the sad reality of this game . I’ve no idea how they do it , don’t they test these things?

This topic has some complexity.

First, there is no “they”. Illfonic might consist of some 100 developers (including the artists) of which 98 might do an outstanding job including testing. E.g two people who cannot or do not want to perform resp. test well are absolutely sufficient to lead to a patch disaster…

So, in the end, it might not be a problem of the developers but one of the management, if you ask me.

Second, it is unfortunately somehow common nowadays to let the users do the testing… It is obvious that in some aspects that might be done here too…

Third, the complexity of real-time-multiplayer-applications-via-network is enormous. You even cannot test everything here.

I would say, PHG in general is an absolutely great game working quite well in most aspects - considering the size of the company and so on. But, as I said before, it seems so, that those people, who did the design of the data structures (alike controller settings or loadout), might not be the best part of Illfonic…

I come to this conclusion, as the errors in the last patches nearly all seem to be ridiculous from my POV :) In properly designed, object oriented software, they even should not be able to happen - if you ask me…

But the usage of proprietary static data structures can easily have the effects we all experienced. Said usage is not state-of-the-art software design, from my point of view.

It would quite be interesting to hear an official statement, whether said data structures indeed ARE proprietary static ones… :))

I use “they” as the description of whoever these things go through , they doesnt mean art designers etc , “they” to me are the door that these thing have to go through to get to us . I get there can be alot of variables with these sort of things and issues that the game has had , but I was maybe under the impression that if a certain weapon skin was resetting peoples loadouts etc , that it was for every single player . Even the bow bug went unfixed for about two months? It feels like even releasing a shader is causing issues somewhere else, I’m maybe in the minority though

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