DEVS please add fireteam and predators bots in singleplayer

[Pekmez_Pita]

I agree. Predator, especially, needs bots and objectives too.

Both sides of the game need content but given how poor the AI already is in this. That’s likely never going to happen.

These guys are struggling to cobble together just another Jungle map. You honestly think they’re capable of conjuring up better AI?!

They’re just coasting along at this point. Churning out one DLC character after another. That appears to be their main focus. Along with fucking with the balancing while breaking a number of shit (perks, loadouts, weapons etc.) with it.

Every new patch i wonder what they will fuck up next.

[Finessology]

@Eshtion

I doubt it’d take that long for bots

Bots require an AI programmer unless you want them walking around at 90 degree angles with laser aim.

They should ditch AI entirely since they haven’t had the resources since the start. All the “AI” are right now are bullet sponge turrets on rails. When they feel they’re weak they just increase their damage and health because they don’t have the means to do anything else.

[GreyBack]

@Fire

The majority of us who’ve been playing from the start, don’t want them to waste time adding bots or single player.

If the game is going to shut down. Then sure, add it for those who want to still play.

But aside from wanting bug and a lot of other things fixed, not including balance, it would be a huge waste of time and a horrible thing to focus their attention and resources on.

This.

Plus given that the generic soldier AI is pretty dumb and hopeless, how you think they’re going to manage anything remotely workable for the Pred which has much more complex movement mechanics (tree jumping, climbing etc).

[Finessology]

@GrimmReaper

If they’re actually doing something that’s going to help the multiplayer then fair enough but I think you and I both know they’ve not done shit as of yet lol. Probably just sipping coffee looking through the forums and laughing at us. So it wouldn’t kill them to actually do something productive. Like what are they doing right now that’s so important that they can’t work on AI fireteam and AI predator

Maps and gamemodes which also take a ton of time. I mentioned before the monthly roadmap was obviously going to hit delays. A month was only enough time to pump out shaders and reskins, and Excavation was likely already being worked on before launch.

There are no AI programmers never has been. They completed winged the AI which is why their only function is walking paths to and from alarms and set locations then they just stand there and fire. You can buy AI off the UE marketplace that can perform basic functions like that and then just wave spawn them out of thin air which is literally what AI in this game is. They haven’t made any improvements to the current AI because they don’t plan to. Because they do not have the means.

If a single player mode is ever a thing it will be a scripted 2 hour sequence you play through one time in your entire life.
Why do you think DBD devs have repeatedly said they aren’t implementing anything involving AI? Its a lot of work and a waste of time especially on a multiplayer pvp game unless you’re just running scripted, on-rails sequences. No one realizes how much work AI processing takes JUST to get them to do things like dodge and take cover and path around objects without completely bugging out, much less do anything other than run in circles ocassionally firing.

[GrimmReaper]

@Finessology

Maps and gamemodes which also take a ton of time. I mentioned before the monthly roadmap was obviously going to hit delays. A month was only enough time to pump out shaders and reskins, and Excavation was likely already being worked on before launch

I wasn’t talking about the entire team there I was talking about the AI programmers or lack thereof. And I don’t think the people that work on the AI would be making maps and modes. Different people work on different things there.

@Finessology

There are no AI programmers never has been. They completed winged the AI which is why their only function is walking paths to and from alarms and set locations then they just stand there and fire. You can buy AI off the UE marketplace that can perform basic functions like that and then just wave spawn them out of thin air which is literally what AI in this game is. They haven’t made any improvements to the current AI because they don’t plan to. Because they do not have the means.

I can believe that tbh.

@Finessology

If a single player mode is ever a thing it will be a scripted 2 hour sequence you play through one time in your entire life.

Not necessarily true. That’s different from person to person. You might spend a short amount of time on it others might only ever play that. That is an opinionated argument.

@Finessology

Why do you think DBD devs have repeatedly said they aren’t implementing anything involving AI?

DBD Devs also said they would never add a clown killer. I would take what they say with a grain of salt. That and recently coding for AI was also found in the files for DBD.

@Finessology

Its a lot of work and a waste of time especially on a multiplayer pvp game unless you’re just running scripted, on-rails sequences. No one realizes how much work AI processing takes JUST to get them to do things like dodge and take cover and path around objects without completely bugging out, much less do anything other than run in circles ocassionally firing.

That’s only partly true. Yes it takes a lot of time. But I wouldn’t say it’s a waste of time. You’re forgetting that the AI can also be in multiplayer too. For example they could replace people that leave the match prematurely, fill in empty slots on private matches, serve as extra enemies like on supremacy on battlefront 2 etc. They aren’t just restricted to a single player mode.

[DisturbedLlama]

1. Yes?? You will? Lol. You can definitely learn how a game works vs bots. That’s the whole point. And 2 is it would just be casual fun

[DisturbedLlama]

Also there is AI in dbd already just on mobile lol. Which would lead me to believe it’s coming to console

[GrimmReaper]

That too. But I didn’t mention that because they’re different teams doing different things basically. But yeah it’s very likely we’ll see them come to main game DBD too which would be nice to see. It would certainly get me back into that game.

[DisturbedLlama]

What would be great is a 2v8 mode but make the survivors all bots while still trying to figure out all the kinks. 2 killers would be dooooope

[DisturbedLlama]

I feel like any game you can play with your friends is instantly more fun. Now would it be kinda silly watching Freddy Krueger and Michael Myers tag team. Yes admittedly that would be stupid. But none the less

[GrimmReaper]

That was actually found in the files too. Something to do with more players than the usual so maybe we could see something like that too.

[Finessology]

@DisturbedLlama

Also there is AI in dbd already just on mobile lol. Which would lead me to believe it’s coming to console

DBD console and DBD mobile have different teams working on them. Disconnects are way more likely on mobile so I can see that taking priority to an extent.

That said mobile AI is trash frightened to death the moment they get heartbeat (to the point they will let hooked teammates go second stage); fail almost every skill check they get; and simply meander around not sure what they should really prioritize.

[GrimmReaper]

@DisturbedLlama

Freddy Krueger and Michael Myers tag team. Yes admittedly that would be stupid. But none the less

Hah I would love to see that. It would remind me of this lol…

[DisturbedLlama]

Yeah I mean I know they suck. But I don’t think we’d care the point would be casual killing without having to bring some sweat meta build and play super seriously

[DisturbedLlama]

I haven’t seen robot chicken since like middle school lololol. Classic.

[Fire]

No, you won’t.
An a.i. cant think nor change shit up on you on the go.

[DisturbedLlama]

1st off. Yes… they… can? That’s the point. It’s artificial “intelligence”. Ai can positively calculate and change its plan accordingly. And 2nd. Yes, it will be easier than a group of red rank survivors, but again that’s ok. The point is you learn tiles, maps in general, pallet spawns, the way different perks/add ons work. And the list goes on. It’s bonkers to assume you get nothing out of playing against AI. Go play smite bots on hard sometimes they are better than the kids you play with in pubs lol

[Fire]

Let me try explaining it a way that that hopefully people will understand.

So say a person gets good at playing vs a.i.
Then when they go vs players they get destroyed.

Their just going to get pissed off and stressed.
That’s never fun for anyone.

You dont learn vs a.i.

The rare times I go play Vs bots in smite is literally to just fuck around, but you don’t Learn anything from it.

[DisturbedLlama]

I agree it’s to fuck around, but also, anytime I play a new god, ANYTIME. I play bots first just to learn the kit. I know from personal experience playing a new character vs bots first definitely helps. You just learn the execution of the character you feel me? Yeah you won’t find anything ground breaking but it beats the shit outa not quite understand a characters abilities and never getting a chance to fackin figure it out cause the kid you’re up against is using his quadruple diamond character he has 2000 hours on lol

[GrimmReaper]

I don’t think he’s saying you learn how to become a godly player. You just learn the basics. I know if it wasn’t for the bots on smite I would given up on that game because I wouldn’t have the foggiest on what I’m doing. Yet because they were they I got to learn the controls and how to play certain Gods and the basics of what the game is about. If it wasn’t there I would’ve got smashed match after match just trying to learn what my powers were then I would’ve gotten discouraged to play the game and uninstall it. Now I at least know what I’m doing and can learn different tactics against real players thanks to the bots.