Fixing melee: Pole

#21

Thats the if nothing else works solution

#22

So why is a problem if the pred does a repeated attack, but the ft, who need I remind everyone, ONLY SPAMS BULLETS, in not a problem at all?

This mentality needs to change.
Because at a certain point melee needs to be viable, just like all the gear needs to viable.

Even if it means ft gets a dodge roll or something.
Things are not fine as they are.
But buffs and nerfs are not going to be enough to bring balance into this game.

It needs a rework, this entire game I mean.

#23

I should have included that. I would love a dodge roll for fireteam.

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#24

Those are great ideas mr Clown

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#25

Right now it would be overkill for the ft to get this.
And I cant imagine it being smooth.

But this hatred for melee focus needs to stop.
And everyone just ignores it when I call it out.

Its extremely unfair and biased as hell, that itā€™s ok for the ft to spam bullets, but if pred only wants to attack one way, they get looked down on.

Like I mix it up, but if melee was completely viable it would be cool to see the specialized players.
We already see range focused players.

Iā€™d love to see melee masters.

As for me I dont think I will ever be just one.
I think I will always use both melee and range.

Itā€™s just fun for me to change it up.

#26

Thatā€™s awesome. I think this along with the ability for predator and to a lesser extent FT to negotiate the environment with some agility would be huge. Scale small walls and rocksā€¦and tree roots. Constantly bouncing off shit, getting stuck, and stopping dead because you touch a little Rock or root is retarded. Very poor design. For predator, straight up Assassinā€™s Creed. Perfect agility everywhere

#27

Honestly I think the smoothness of mirrors edge would be better.

I know itā€™s an fps but as far as traversal in games goes, mirrors edge is beyond smooth.

#28

Dying light worked good or apex movement those are good

#29

Dying light is another great example.
Apex is ok, but those 2, are fuckimg master pieces with movement.

#30

I only mentioned this ā€œmentalityā€ because you damn well know that if this was in the game tomorrow, everyone and their mother will attempt to fuse their model with the Fireteam in a blaze of glory. This would also buff ALL Melee Weapons. Even the good ones. Elder Sword with Bleed? No thank you.

The only other time Iā€™ve mentioned ā€œSpamming R2ā€ in regards to Melee was when that one guy nearly got Second Winded just waving his Combi-Stick around out in the open and getting stuck in his slow amination to the FT just blasting him.

#31

Agreed the movement is good

#32

Adding unparryable attacks to all weapons or 50% dmg pen is probably the best way to make melee play viable

Making parry a perk could be dangerous unless we go for something like the perk allows the stun to happen but without it u can still negate dmg but it doesnā€™t stun the pred
That would probably be fine

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#33

I see Parrying being a Perk to be the best option, but it is a loaded topic as is, and we could see some ideas bear fruit.

#34

Perhaps but then we risk a different problem imo parry was never the problem with melee play it is a problem but can play around
via predict ing after all most melee now has a short tracking lunge so u watch for the swipe u attack then immediately jump swipe again

it u know what I canā€™t play around close range ttks u will die if u melee someone for 2-3 seconds all melee attacks go in a straight line in a predictable pattern now I want u to tell me that a half second stun is the problem

Oh and the different problem would be randoā€™s wouldnā€™t understand how to deal with melee without already knowing the best short range guns or they may feel that a parry perk is mandatory shoe horning people

#35

As it stands right now, it would sti be too dangerous to use melee like that.

But adding a bleed, given the current the state of the game, would be one of the few things that would slightly even out the playing field.

Tell me, who here really fears melee even their playing ft?
I dont.

But Iā€™m just tired of this hatred for pred melee.
Ppl are always like, melee spam melee spam.

But ft is literally nothing but spam.

But as I said. I honestly think the only to really help the game is a rework.

Cause if they do buff pred,
What then?

Ft focused players will complain.

So far what Iā€™ve seen, going back to the VERY beginning of the forum, is that ft players will only be satisfied when they have the complete advantage.

There was a few pred mains like that, but itā€™s plague among ft mains.

#36

I can see how different ideas can help with the Melee situation like an increased Damage Penetration and such, but I just donā€™t see Bleeding to all Melee Weapons as a core aspect to Predatorā€™s kit being good for Balance.

Now, if that was a Specialization, okay, that could be kinda cool tho.

#37

To be honest, I agree.
Iā€™d like to see different things and not just the same effect on every weapon.

The only reason I voted bleed is cause it was one of the options and Iā€™m too lazy to come up with ideas at the moment.

#38

This is an interesting concept

Maybe after 2-3 parryā€™s the knife breaks

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#39

Facts

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#40

Or they donā€™t get predator weapons, lol and certain predator weapons are unparryable