It’s not that simple though. There’s too many classes/builds and weapon combos to make it so it’s a flat rate damage spread across the team. If they did it that way the game would have no tangible variation between load-outs and people would get bored super fast. Things should be situationally variable. That’s what makes these games fun. I just don’t think 2 guys should have been able to do that much damage that fast. I should have been hurt bad though.
Heavy hitter? Fastest melt I've ever felt and it was only 2 dudes and one with a knife...
Its not all about the damage, think it this way. How would that exchange end if the net that did not connect, would have connected (when you where at half HP). Would he be dead now instead of you? We will never know. Quite frankly I want them to move away from all this who can do more damage thing. Just give more tools to mitigate damage but also require skill to use them (the opposite of what they gave FT in last patch).
The above applies to @Jimmy’s issues as well.
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Yeah I think if the net worked, I’d have downed knife boi, probably losing 1/2 my HP. Then hop out of there, reposition and blast him dead with my PC or start targeting Mr. Popcron Pipe. Either way they were gonna go down if I lived through that.
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No it is about the damage the fact is the one person can down a predator with one clip of ammo depending on the gun and a lot of fireteam players are exploiting this making it near impossible for the predator to engage with the majority of there Arsenal. This is why you Xan84 are nothing but a FT simp
Try being a bit more civil in the future, I see no point for name calling. That said the predaor is not supposed to tank the damage, he is supposed to avoid it. Just had a game where guy on PC just destroyed my entire team. I had around 1200 damage, the rest under 300 but its still a clear indication in RANDOMS when you get teams just like the OP did there is nothing about making it impossible for the predator. If you have issues beating randoms, including PS guys your issue is not with balance, its with skill.
Focusing as much as the OP did on melee is also a VERY bad idea in the current meta. The predator that just defeated me used bow and plasma to do it. Melee only in finishing shit off.
What about zerkers and samurai preds? Their class descriptions are supposed to be about resilience and passive melee bonus damage…
In current meta they don’t work(if you find anything above potato level in FT side). Just like quite a few things don’t work for FT, like the minigun, grenade launcher, QR4, smoke. On the other hand what works, works. Go city hunter, employ mostly range and only engage with melee as a finisher or if you KNOW the target is isolated (or really bad teams) and you should not have issues with randoms for the most part. Most games I have, at least 2 people are potatoes.
The game state is what it is, just be happy city hunter has the best stats you could want for the current meta.
What about PC snipers who have incredible accuracy and destroy your health bar as you’re leaping? How are you able to avoid the damage then if your main tool for mobility is rendered useless?
I fought against 2 PC players (one had the semi auto 50cal, the other an AK but mainly ran at me with a knife) on Overgrowth the other day by the river camp. I was waiting for them on the giant cliff to go there and as they came close to the camp they began shooting at when I never moved at all. From there I tried leaping away and kept being sniped in midair or anywhere that wasn’t behind cover. I could never get in close at all or reveal myself from cover until they decided to get cocky and chase me down. From there it was just ducking from behind cover taking potshots where I could and thankfully at one point had a ton of AI to finally provide a little bit of a distraction to where I could finally deal damage.
Snipers are an issue in premades, not randoms. If he is alone above somewhere you should have no issue tagging him. If you get close to them by leaping, you’re already playing it wrong.
In your scenario don’t leap, as I said above. Leap only when all 4 of them are somewhat close, not when you have people covering them with snipers or you die. You get close and move about by using los and staying close to the ground. If you’re up against a good 4 man premade, I can’t help you there, you need extreme skill to pull wins in this meta.
In the end if you have 2 peeps that are damn good on FT side, you’re going to need quite a bit of skill yourself to kill them. No diea of the level of skill you have or those guys.
I beat them in the end only because they got cocky and had help from the AI, also pretty sure the sniper ran out of ammo. I didn’t leap to get in close to them I leaped to get away or get behind cover, whenever I ran out of cover I would also get shot. The player that ran at me with a knife would only do so to flush me out of cover so the sniper could get me. The other two players (PS4) were completing the objectives while also taking out most of the AI.
As it is now the only way to get remotely close to beating a PC premade is to not only have a high level of skill but also bring the meta load out and forced to play a certain way otherwise you will get melted. That is just not fun to play when the predator is forced to play peekaboo and bring a load out that only favors extreme range in order to stand a chance against 1-2 good players since either one of them can melt you quickly enough by themselves but with a 4 man premade your odds of winning are nil.
The AI is supposed to help you. Leaping in or away ensures you’re going to get shoots in, I shoot preds even with my AR (don’t use snipers). If you leap, you should leap when you have something between you and the FT or expect to get hit if you have someone watching over the area from a good possition. Also if you beat those people, I don’t see the problem with the situation, you can’t expect to win easy no?
4 man premades are a bitch to defeat. 1-2 people on the other hand, even if good ones, you should deal with them as the predator if you’re a good one yourself.
Are you on PS or PC since this makes a big difference if you ask me. Most PS predators, right now, I melt. They can’t play the ranged game against me and if they come close in melee, its extremely dangerous to them. The ones that I find are very hard to kill are PC players that use the bow, then those that use the pistol. They harass constantly and when the opportunity comes they go in.
It’s not a matter of expecting an easy win, I don’t want an easy win I like a challenge however when one person is able to melt my health from any range and am forced to play a certain way and have enough luck that the AI spawned in heavies instead of the regular PMCs in order to meek out a win then it’s just not fun at all. That was one guy sniping, had all four been the same then I would never be able to get away period. If I got in close and made sure that all 4 are miraculously away from each other’s line of sight I’d have to deal with them parrying, and if you say just use the elder sword then I like I said before you’re forced to use certain weapons in order to deal with the FTs insane damage output whether at range or up close.
Frustrating things are on both sides, imagine playing FT, having 3 potatoes on your side that can’t hit a barn door. The predator is chasing you with the net gun and you KNOW that if he hits you its GG. Then to this combination add the damn buffed AI.
I’ve had countless games where the predator was completely ignoring my team since they are useless and just goes for me.
PS. After the last patch is like every wave has heavy in the mix. I don’t think you got lucky, its just how they spawn.
That’s a problem. It should be fixed.
It sucks to have to resort to a class/build that isn’t fun just to remain viable in most situations. Currently the FT have the most freedom to customize their loadouts and not worry about being totally gimped. It is what it is, but we as the players need to voice our concerns here (Futile as it seems) or just play the meta… or get bored and quit playing… Not a lot of options.
I have been in that scenario several times where my team can’t tell the difference between the predator and the floor and the predator goes after me only however I manage to always deal a significant amount of damage to them before I either get downed or they get put into 2nd wind. In those scenarios all I would need is just for 1 person to be able to shoot it a minuscule amount or at the very least distract it for a second.
FT has meta builds just as well. Yeah, we have more of them since we have more types of guns. On the other hand I play the same build since ever, only with small modification. Since I run randoms I go support since most people don’t bring shit for the team, playing classes that are low in gear. Then I use the hammerhead and an SMG. Gear medkit, ammo bag and stim. Perks are Thick Skin and Iron lungs.
I was hopping they would give another HIGH GEAR class for FT but once again, it was a high perk one and I am stuck playing the same class.
As for fixing those classes… I don’t think they know HOW. If they buff the damage/HP it would just turn them into random stomping machines and it would not even require a skilled predator to do it, so the number of them running around would be quite something to behold (like berserker in the old days, only more since now just about everyone has them unlocked). More stamina? Its probably going to be worse.
I have still been making Zerker work somwhat, even against PC premades. Elder sword, Netgun, Bear traps, motion detectors and medkit. Adrenal boost (absolutely required now) Light bender and dithered lense or fearless depending on my mood…
If you want balance based on playing with 3 potatoes… i think thats where you’re going wrong. Theres a thing called discord, get on it, make friends and run an organised team. If you wanna be anti-social and play with potatoes, thats on you, the pred shouldnt have to suffer a game where a player can solo him just to keep unsociable FT fan boys happy.
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It doesn’t seem to be working that well overall since illfonic decided to tip the balance in favor of disorganized FTs as opposed to teams. But, if it did work, then the game would have a possibility of being more balanced and be played as intended on FT side, as a fireTEAM. I know, captain obvious 😁
garbage teir comabacks. from XAN84. When I play FT its extremely boring getting 3k or more per match. Then you play pred and appreciate how ez FT is.