See thats where its gonna completely fail and you arnt going to get much interest at all. This game is very unstable and crashes a lot so your going to kick them.if it happens 3 times?
Paid Community Tournaments (Thoughts?)
Wow, imagine setting an automatic disqualifier based around the instability of THE GAME ITSELF. I’ve had friends who’ve had multiple crashes in an hour, so I guess fuck them, right?
And you can ban whatever you want, the FT will still overpower the Predator. You have some of the best people in the game here on these forums who choose to play with meme loadouts using the worst perks and the low tier weapons just out of sheer boredom, and STILL they are OP and wreck the Predator. The only true way you could find a sense of balance, is omitting a number of classes, weapons, and perks on both sides, and using custom modifications to increase Pred stats and vastly decrease FT stats. The problem you will find here, is most people don’t want to do that. They either don’t care enough to go through all of that setup, they don’t want to risk crashing because of your 3x boot rule, or they rely too much on certain loadouts so without it they feel naked and don’t know how to play.
We’ve tried this before, mate. Like, a lot. It doesn’t execute well. This isn’t COD, this isn’t Street Fighter or Smash. There is a terrible imbalance that not even modifiers can properly fix, and the game itself is unstable so there are too many variables that could lead to problems.
Lower ft damage by 50%, no snipers allowed, no pdl,
No combi, disk, or handheld for pred, no axe.
No traps either.
This would get you somewhat close to balance.
But uh, you’ll hear a lot of bitching from ft players cause they’ll be scared to have more balanced damage output.
But I’m telling you, its not worth it simply because of the technical issues.
While I do agree ft damage is high I don’t think we should lower it by half.
Why ban stick, pistol, axe or traps?
I would personally remove support and dante classes, limit the amount of dutch 87’s in a match. No tracker usage ofc.
For pred the only thing I would consider removing is the disc and only for the pc. Being able to switch sensitivity makes it very strong.
None of the classes for pred are op despite what people might say.
You can give pred a bit of hp but not too much. I don’t want pred to be a damage sponge.
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It brings it closer to year one.
Before specializations, ft damage was around that.
This makes it so pred can go in and melee too, without losing all their health.
Even with 50% damage reduction, if two people are consistently landing shots on pred, you cant afford to be too reckless.
And obviously, if were taking the snipers away from ft,
Gotta take away the range weps from pred to make it a bit fair. Youd still have the PC.
Because I’m fucking tired of seeing the same shit all the time.
Bitch ass bow hopping, spear throw, and traps.
The axe can one shot so remove it just for balance.
And you say you dont want perd to be a bullet sponge,
But like I said. Even with 50% reduction, if most ppl can aim, it won’t be too much of a problem.
It actually gives pred a chance to attack.
You guys haven’t listened for years now.
But pred shouldn’t be able to be killed so easily.
Not unless he has his lore damage.
So you’re only other option would be,
Increase pred damage by 35 or possibly 45%?
Make it so PC and most everything he has one shots or two shots?
But this is just to try and balance it out.
Either way, not like it matters.
The technical issues are going to ruin any tournament anyway.
He was never able to go melee. People say berserker was a strong class back then but he wasn’t.
But you can’t land all the shots all the time.
Limit it to one. One sniper per team is alright.
That’s literally the only thing that requires skill on the pred side. Melee is crap as it should be. Not many brain cells are needed to swing melee weapons.
Most of the time it doesn’t and you need to get close to ft. I’ve never seen anyone win against us while using the battleaxe. In tournaments, you’re not playing alone but in a team so I don’t see why it should be banned. You’ve got 3 more people to cover your ass.
How often all 4 ft members are shooting at you at the same time? Not that often.
The problem for the pred isn’t just raw damage numbers but also the bugs that can and will get you killed.
Lmao. Ok, then not a single Jautja should be alive after being shot with Barret M82.
10-15 should be enough. I’ve banned supports 20% damage reduction so there’s no need for such high numbers.
I get so tired of the range bias PC players have.
I get it bro. You think aiming Is this incredible skill that cant be achieved through practice.
You think it’s the epitome of skill.
It’s not. Fighting games require way more skill than fps.
So please. At least with me, can we stop this who bullshit about trying to say that only range play takes skill?
Because melee should always be viable.
What you dont seem to understand is that even with what I’ve mentioned, using only melee isn’t going to work. And remove the axe if you drop damage on ft by 50%.
And you’re one of the people who lands a lot of shots.
So that being the case all I’m hearing is that you’re afraid of having to actually try against pred.
With what I mentioned, it should be no problem at all for you.
So I dont see why you of all people are bitching about anything I mentioned.
You’re so obsessed with skill, yet if any mods that make it so you actually have to try are mentioned, all of a sudden you’re against it.
Il be perfectly honest, that’s a pretty shitty attitude to have man.
You guys like balancing around yourselves.
I’ve always aimed to balance the game itself.
Problem is you guys seem to have never played a truly balanced game, so we get into these arguments.
Either way. You don’t have to believe me.
But what I’ve mentioned is the closest thing you’re going to get to balancing the game itself.
And you want the sniper to one shot?
Might work if you can give pred true stealth, his lore pc with one shot lock on.
Take it from someone who tried. Rules and Restrictions will lead to most of the player base being pussies and not attending and having a lawless west kind of deal will lead to Meta and shitters who think they’re good for playing with like 1 loadout will come out of the woodwork to slay the entire tourney.
However, with Custom Lobbies now a thing, you can definitely make a balanced environment, and I can definitely help with that if you want the assistance; you’ll just have to know what you’re getting into here.
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I agree with this specifically. Here’s the thing. I am dogshit at Siege. I go negative in COD most of the time. I can do a little better in CS:GO. I go on PHG and I am a fucking monster in relative comparison. Not because of skill, or even game knowledge which itself is a big part. It’s just the inbalance and that it’s too damn easy.
You tell any PHG Players to go on any other game, performance drops drastically. You don’t even have to ask them, it’s just facts and the only outlier would be a person who was just good at FPS enough anyway that they would just steamroll into PHG in the first place.
No, they don’t.
You shouldn’t be able to dive in, kill one and escape unpunished.
I try all the time :)
Not with your kind of rules.
Again. Melee requires no skill.
No, It’s just how I see the balance.
Not even remotely close
See, this is why tournaments can’t work. Too many varied opinions over what is and isn’t balanced, and if it’s not what this person wants, or that person wants, then you lose players. There is no in-between.
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Yep, most people back then didn’t use meta weapons + didn’t aim as good as now + weren’t good at parrying.
Of course vs a Berserker with combi at launch and if FT are all using shotguns they would get wrecked.
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Look if you guys aren’t going to listen and only insist on shutting down what I say, then why should i give a fuck about you?
If you’re going to treat what I got to say like its irrelevant, then I’m going to return that energy to you.
You like shooters wolf.
I get it. But fps takes less skill than fighting games.
Argue it all you want that’s just a fact.
If you’re good enough you should be able to get in, kill one and get out.
See, you get all this praise as a good player, and you can aim, il give you that, but even you are afraid of melee being viable.
But theres no fucking point in trying to have a discussion with you.
No matter what’s said you dont discuss, all you do is say “no no no it has to be my way huuuur”
I’m tired of that shit.
I at least show you enough respect to explain what I’m saying even tho I’m exhausted from arguing this.
Its been years.
Technical issues are the reason we lost alot of players.
Lack of content is another one.
But so is balance.
Since year one I’ve been trying to balance the game itself, not your matches. That’s the problem with you.
You want to balance around individuals, your small pool of players you consistently play with, who dont kind broken balance.
I’ve always aimed to balance the game itself.
One last thing wolf.
In fps all you gotta do is practice until your aim is good.
In fighting games you have to master combos, parry if it’s a mechanic in there, blocking, zoning, learning all the capabilities of like 20 characters cause that’s the avarage number of fighters, and then all other mechanics that specific fighting might have.
If you disagree with me, its fine to just say let’s agree to disagree. But the whole trying to just shut me down all the time without any real discussion, leads us nowhere.
I dont do it to you.
So if I show you respect on a basic level, at least return it.
Nope, even illfonic mentions this during the loading screen.
And this is what 99% of all PS Predators do when we meet them in pubs, they die, really badly.
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why would u focus on one guy when 3 others are firing at you?
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Don’t ask me.
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Anyways, to try to balance the game naturally between PS and PC might be impossible. To do so in exclusive platform matches, like a full party of PC or a full party of PS is as simple as increase this or decreasing that.
The only reason why people complain about balance in publics is what is required in a private match between platform opposites.
(the -? means some kind of modification, PSPRED= ¥ PCPRED= ₽, M = meta )
PS PRed, 4 PC FT - ? ¥ M□
PC PRed, 4 PS FT - ? ₽ M□
PSPRED, 3PC/1PS FT - ? ¥ ▽
PSPRED, 2PC/2PS FT - ? ¥ □
PSPRED, 1PC/3PS FT - ¥ △
or
PCPRED, 3PC/1PS FT -? ₽ ▽
PCPRED, 2PC/2PS FT - ? ₽ □
PCPRED, 1PC/3PS FT -? ₽ △
To think about it, an actual perk should be YOUR system platform. or to make it even more complicated it, each particular comibination should have its own special icon like a triangle,upside down triangle, a square to respresent the combination of players.
Whatever that is while playing in a mixed bag of platforms should execute a buff or a nerf of somekind (and I’m not pointing at dps, i mean a change in one of many features available in privates).
Private matches. Turn off spotting. Increase stats for predators.
I never said it was viable.
I said it should be.
Everything available should be viable.