PC "death squads": what's the point?

#147

The knife is still very easily exploitable if a Predator is playing aggressively to secure a kill on a downed Fireteam member & people just rush the Predator with it. Even moreso if it is a less spatious area that the Fireteam member went down in. The damage & DPS is already ridiculous enough without the triple hit exploit & the double damage exploit. Not to mention the automatic tracking you get on the Predator if you just move either clockwise or counter-clockwise in a circle while stabbing them because the game locks your camera to the Predator while you do this until they create enough distance between themselves & you.

The hitbox is also broken because I have had many games in Private Matches where I literally get stabbed while in mid-air & stabbed from several metres away. That aspect could be ping related but nonetheless it should be pretty clear that there is an issue with the knife being broken when a single Fireteam player can solo a Predator in a knife fight very easily & consistently. The parry system is also heavily flawed for obvious reasons (being able to continously parry a Predator & keep them stunned while stabbing them repeatedly) without even delving into the part where you can get parried by a Fireteam member who literally isn’t even facing your general direction.

It would be incredibly disingenuous to say that it’s perfectly balanced or normal for a single soldier with a small combat knife to be able to kill a 7ft+, 520lbs Predator with a huge Yautja Axe, Sword, Combistick etc. You never see it happen in the movies.

We know it’s in the game, we’ve all learnt to adapt to it over the years & anyone with common sense will avoid knife fights. But, just because we know how to counter it, doesn’t mean it isn’t a problem.

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#148

Not sure what you mean. Are you referring to aim assist? If so, you know it’s pretty much useless in this game.

It’s also broken for Pred side.

Not quite. After one of the last updates, parrying consumes stamina, so it’s not endlessly. Most of the times it’s enough it’s a fact.

In the AVP universe Predators died in a lot of non sense situations. The game should be no different.

#149

A huge axe against a kitchen knife with butter is just ridiculous. Parry should be disabled, it is better to make the mechanics of dodging blows.

#150

how bout you girls don’t run into a fight head on like a douche. He’s basically staring right at you and you as the predator run head first into it. Of course you’re going to get your ass tangled in a combo slap that will knock you out. What were you expecting? Herpes?

#151

Yes, the aim assist, and no it is not useless when the Predator is up close to you & you are mashing knife. It keeps your camera fixed on the Predator so all you have to do is mash R2 or L2 until they leap away & even then hits will still sometimes register when they are in the air.

How?

I never said “endlessly” so I don’t see what your point is.

Pretty poor argument.

#152

If you’re face to face with the Pred aim assist it’s useless. You are already facing the Pred right?

The same way ii is for FT like you said.

You said repeatedly right…

As poor as yours bro. You tried to bring logic into this. If you really wanna bring logic don’t forget that the RPG and grenades only takes a slice of Pred’s HP while it should be an insta kill, same as sniper rifles while they should chop Pred’s head off or a limb.
In fact my comment was more logical than yours, cause if there’s something that you can compare this game is with the movies. And in the movies Predator while being a physical and atheltic beast and outgunned humans it died by the most pathetic ways in all movies.

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#153

Its evidently not useless when the camera tracks the Pred so you can just move around them in a perfect circle to avoid their attacks while stabbing them.

Well what are you talking about? Give an example of a broken Pred hitbox. Either way it’s irrelevant to what we were talking about.

Repeatedly isn’t the same thing as endlessly. I can’t believe I just had to say that.

Predators quite literally tank damage like this in the movies, so no.

Mr Black as a prime example tanked a cluster of frag grenades blowing up in his face at point blank range & he suffered no visible injuries. He also tanked a sniper round that passed through his back & chest, and he was seemingly unaffected by this despite being off-guarded when getting shot.

The Predators should actually be more durable in this game & not get their health deleted by a couple of grenades & stabs from a combat knife.

#154

Bro…
What the hell are u saying?
If you’re facing the Pred close enough to knife him, what the hell donyou need aim assist for??
You are literally the firat person on this forums saying aim assist in this game is useful.

It happens the exactly the same way you said about FT knife hit box.

Uh, i believe i added the word “right” to my sentence. Although english in not my main language i know the difference between those 2 words.

But they are more durable. Yoi’re just seeing the small picture on this matter.
They have infinite second wind. On the clock, bit they do.
They have infinite source of HP. Pigs. It’s spawn is broken sure, but they do.
They can carry up to 4 syrettes, when on the movies you see them use 1 at the most.
You can blame some game mevhanics related to Pred’s durability i agree on that, but in terms of Pred’s durability itself it is there.

#155

Are you deliberately just missing the point or what?

The aim assist up close while using knife locks your camera onto the Pred, so you can just move the left joystick for movement in one direction & you will move around the Predator in a perfect circle making it easy to avoid damage while you get free stabs on the Pred within a certain range. It makes it practically impossible to miss stabs on the Pred if they stay within a certain range of you, and you can easily avoid getting hit because you’re constantly moving behind the Pred as they try to re-orient their camera to face you.

I never said that, but you can’t deny what it does when knifing the Pred & moving around them in a perfect circle.

So what, you’re saying Preds get hits they shouldn’t have aswell? Literally never happens in ranged combat. In fact the opposite always happens. Combistick throws go through people, Smart Discs go through Fireteam members’ entire bodies several times & do no damage.

Its pretty irrelevant because if the Predator is just waiting for their second wind to come back all the time because the Fireteam DPS melted them the Fireteam will just be rushing the mission & completing it in 2-5 mins.

Also won’t matter if the Pigs only ever spawn right next to the Fireteam because they can just camp the Pig spawns & if the Pred runs out of Healing Kits there isn’t much they can do about it.

They are multiple use tools & technology. If they wanted to use their medical technology several times in one movie they could, and touching back on the second wind, it makes some degree of sense because Predators have low level regenerative capabilities.

Either way the Fireteam have more effective healing methods in the game regardless. The Predator can’t heal up to 3 times in the middle of a firefight just by sticking a little needle into their arm. The Fireteam can.

Of course the Predators are still durable but it’s undeniable that Fireteam DPS is excessively unbalanced & broken.

#156

Basically, this:


Even getting it right, I still lost 2/3 health with mostly wrist blades against a Recon class. Against Dutch/Leader HH + Bane I’d likely be second winded again, even after doing everything correctly. Wild.

@moralez bare in mind this is purely 1v1 damage, not including a barrage of grenades and large calibre rounds sent in proximity of the Pred and FT member that is attacked, being used as bait. It’s very common to use your FT as bait bc of the default “no friendly fire damage” rule. FT friendly fire damage should be activated, as well, bc it’s absurd the amount of damage explosives do, and not a scratch on your fellow FT members in proximity of the explosions.

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#157

I’ve actually started 1v1ing Dutch 87s on purpose for fun. Like i understand the risk involved and everyone says not to do it but I’m always out for ways to shut down cocky behavior, and downing the most OP class in the game doing the most broken action they can is satisfying.

#158

I’ve been 1v1 Dutch87’s with minimal risk, just not with wrist blades. It calls for a bit more footwork, and plasma as insurance.

#159

I used wristblades for extra luls. But usually the sickle, I never really go for melee otherwise

#160

Precisely.

You know something is unbalanced in a 1v4 game when only 1 of the 4 Fireteam members each are perfectly capable of either completely outdamaging the Pred or taking most of the Predator’s health with them before they die just by themselves in a 1v1.

If you get caught with a single parry for example while combining e.g. Plasma Pistol shots with a couple Wristblade slashes in the middle of a firefight, you are getting melted by the other 3 Fireteam members. Heck it doesn’t even take all 4 Fireteam members shooting at you at once to drive you away. Sometimes you’ll go for the combination on a single person & they’ll hit you with a lucky parry because they were mashing knife & suddenly the other person deletes ¾ of your health in the space of a second with the 1011-12 pistol or by hitting you with the triple knife and/or the double damage exploit on the knife, and thats not even factoring in general Fireteam damage buffs like Yautjas Bane, Heavy Hitter, Leader, Reckless & Fanatic.

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#161

then there are those people who just run the objectives and say “let that guy handle predator”.

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#162

The classic public match experience😂

#164

I don’t get the whole “FT knife is broken” … yes, it is, but if you die to the knife you sir are a fucking idiot. Melee has always been stupid since day one. The very first advice to all pred players is to avoid melee. You don’t even need the damn knife to kill a pred that rushes melee.

Every example of the “broken knife” shows the same behavior, predator player continues to move forward and attack even though it is being melted. That’s moronic, and every player that plays like that deserves to be melted that quick. You can’t promote dumb 5 year old slashing style playing. This is not a slasher game. Is a first person SHOOTER… shoot some stuff damn it!

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#166

too many people here posting videos about it like they are on the verge of quiting the game. I think you’re right they are mentally chllaneges.

#167

listen if they make melee like a boxing match fight with a final blow like we see on COD dlcs (the block-then stab in the face)…then yeah. I think they have something akin to Mortal Kombat only much much quicker and funner!

It really should be a knife paper scissor thing where you JUST GET ONE CHANCE…then its over stylistically.

#169

Thing is, Pred can and does overpower FT in melee. Elder sword, sickle, even basic wristblades cause a lot of damage very quickly. What defeats them is the parry system, knife hitbox, and whether or not there are any supports on the team that reduce damage taken. Crumple all these together, add some perks and passives and a few exploits and you have the perfect recipe for disaster for a melee Pred that can’t play any other way.