I want to use PiS. I really do. I want to role play Dutch. But it is just too overpriced for what it is. 5 points for a situational perk is too much. It should be 2-3 points at most. Like, how much extra time does it give anyway? Anyone else think they need a small perk re-balance?
Pig In Shit perk too $$$
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Hard disagree. I played Recon with PiS through level 90. Just switched my class and I am perpetually under mudded. I’m annoyed at how often I need to mud up so I will pay gladly to stay muddy
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Yes. But how long is the extra mud time? And it’s a stealth perk. But it’s only good vs Pred’s thermal vision. So it’s situational. I’m not saying it’s bad. Just a bit overpriced as it doesn’t always work. Like some less expensive perks like Thick Skin. Permanent 10% for 4 points. That’s op atm for the price.
Idk the recon base perk additional time, but PiS is an extra 15s, plus 18% faster action. How often do you play Predator? Sure it’s situational, but it’s THE most common situation. You know the old adage, “I don’t have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you.”? Same concept.
Here’s the scenario:
You 4 have been playing the objective. for whatever reason, the predator is the last one there (healing/lost contact). He’s going to show up with his thermal vision on. Who does he go for first? The person he can see.
It’s not about being invisible, it’s about being the least visible. How you choose to use that tactical advantage is on you. Protecting the person he targets? Finish objectives?
But if you aren’t mudded up, he targets you and 10% more hp won’t do much in a 1v1.
That doesn’t even touch on the benefit of muddying up faster. Less time bring locked in an interaction is nice. All personal preference, but that’s why I believe PiS is worth 5 points
My recon has both PiS and the cooler temp perk. Stay invisible the longest. Really, the only time have PiS isn’t worth it is when you shoot the mask off. So if you regularly do that the first time you see the pred, then its not worth it.
Ice cold? I hear that’s shit https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntingGrounds/comments/glej7j/fireteam_perks_guide?sort=confidence
Yes Paper. I’m not saying it’s weak. I’m just saying it’s too expensive. It’s like the 2nd most expensive perk. But it’s not the 2nd best perk in the game. Get my drift? Let’s stay on the topic of Cost.
Yes but isn’t strength tied to cost? Nobody’s complaining that Yautjas Bane is too expensive bc the effect matches the cost. The more powerful a perk, the more expensive it should be. therefore validating the cost. I am talking about cost. If youre not actually looking for dialogue and just want things cheap and your way, don’t post on a discussion forum. Let’s stay on the topic of reading comprehension. Dick head.
Its only useful while mudded. Let’s break this in numbers to make it easier for people to understand. (These are not real numbers.)
Regular temp 100.
Ice cold temp 80.
Full mudded 0.
So, its not that impressive right now, you are still clearly visible in thermal. But the mud slowly degrades over time. Let’s say the shades of unmudding are every 10. And the mud stays on for 80 seconds.
Full mudded to normal will have ten shade shifts, and each shade lasts 8 seconds.
Full mudded to ice cold will have 8 shades shifts, and each shade lasts 10 seconds.
So you stay darker longer. Once again, combined with PiS leaves you very hard to see for a very long time.
“Yes but isn’t strength tied to cost? Nobody’s complaining that Yautjas Bane is too expensive bc the effect matches the cost. The more powerful a perk, the more expensive it should be. therefore validating the cost. I am talking about cost. If youre not actually looking for dialogue and just want things cheap and your way, don’t post on a discussion forum. Let’s stay on the topic of reading comprehension. Dick head.”
O.K. We get it. You love the perk as is. And think think it’s the 2nd most power perk in the game and worth the cost…Moving on.
With PiS. You only stay muddy an extra 15 seconds. Regular Mud lasts 45 sec. With the perk, it brings it up to a minute. Ice Cold is pretty worthless atm. There have been several videos made about it. So taking that out of the equation. We are left with PiS being tied for the 2nd most expensive perk in the game. Do you think it’s that strong?
I did say those number were made up. more to show what Ice Cold does. Ice cold’s use is when you want to stay harder to see for longer. Pretty useful for stealth builds.
But to the topic at hand. Extending the mud duration by a third and speeding up the mud time does mean that it is the top tier stealth perk bar none.
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I do think it’s that strong. Shooters are all about positioning. PiS is a positioning perk. Faster weapon swap, faster reload- all weapon perks- sound nice but those are most effective when you are close engaging the Predator which is not the ideal situation. The ideal situation is to remain as invisible as possible and pop shots at him from a distance.