Poll: Balancing Salvation for future balance changes

#21

Learn the hard way

#22

I still dont see it being an issue when i play fireteamā€¦ all i do is hide in the buildings and stay muddedā€¦

If he goes for melee rush i stick to my team and just parry him.

Ez done game over xD

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#23

Canā€™t hide forever if you plant to do the mission. Pred will just wait for those FTs that take a peak and then it an arrow straight between the eyes. But still, those are good temp solution to see if Pred will bite and go ham.

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#24

Support

  • weapons training
  • OWLF trained

Assault

  • double time
  • pig in shit

Dutch 2025

  • gear head
  • heavy hitter
  • fast hands

Recon

  • thick skin
  • ice cold
  • dexterous

There are no repeating perks, but any premade should do just fine with this setup.

  • everyone has at least 150 health
  • everyone, except support can mud up quickly
  • assault and recon can run objectives and Dutch and support are tanky enough to protect them

Gear would be in order of importance:
Field syrette
Medic bag
UAV
Frag Grenade
Smoke or decoy grenade

TLDR: limiting perk effectiveness wonā€™t hurt premades, it would hurt randoms that accidentally choose the same perks.

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#25

Yup. I realized that a bit after my response. Pre-mades specialize!

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#26

It would hurt both not only randoms.

Randoms are btw learning too from all the games since patch 2.03 and 2.05 of only fireteam.

They have been mostly 90% meta perksā€¦ which is bane lmaoā€¦

#27

Dutch 87 : Yautja Bane + Tick skin and you dont need anything else, this class is broken. They have to nerf hp from 155 to 145 in my opinion.

#28

Also what u have just described is smth that would only work if they decided to go for role or class lock before matchmakingā€¦

Sort of evolve system where u get in match with preferable classā€¦

but if they add thisā€¦ then everyone can literally run like only dutch and recons xDā€¦

So ur idea would break the game and not fix itā€¦ it would only be a fix if they went for that evolve matchmaking system.

#29

Wait arrow i thought u saw trough this lmaoā€¦ as that idea would break the game as everyone else will now transfer to meta gaming classes now instead of perks? And how do u fix class stacking?

Well u cantā€¦ devs should have made it evolve matchmaking but nah they let us stack classes

#30

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Would bane be fair if it were +5%?

(Edit: I see you already suggested that. At 5% and 6 perk points, picking that would be fairly short sighted and non intelligent. Maybe +5% damage for 3 points. Just to end the complaints.)

You all are so hung up on bane. Itā€™s not even that great 90% of the time.

#31

Iā€™m arguing against the idea of limiting perks.

#32

It would be fair if it wouldnt stack xDā€¦

As in allowing the players to kill pred quicker with less ammo consumptionā€¦

But yeah i mean idkā€¦ what ur trying to achive with ur ideaā€¦ the idea would be great for evolve like matchmaking but with the current one i doubt devs would even think about itā€¦ devs are just doing it totally different.

#33

I mean i can see that but why?

Your idea cant pass unless they literally make it fully evolve like where each class is unique with their own perks and guns and gears xD

? or correct me if i am wrong about that

#34

I have no ā€œidea.ā€ Iā€™m just pointing out that the idea that limiting perks wonā€™t hurt premades, only randoms.

As far as, stacking perks, they donā€™t stack. Itā€™s not like if two players have OWLF trained, they get 16% damage reduction.

#35

It stacks tho? Its harded to kill all four of them if they all run with it?

The point here isā€¦ team workā€¦ they act as oneā€¦ and i think its fair to say the perk system is fairly unfair to the predator cause predator is only one and he is allowed 3 perks as well as each fireteamā€¦

So i will repeat againā€¦ it only 2 people are running the same perk then the perk bonus shouldnt change and should give out exact damageā€¦

At 3 same fireteam members the perk should start sort of bottlenecking and limit it self to give out better bonus due to all of them running the same perkā€¦

And if u think thats unfair, its not cause ur supposed to stick together and die togetherā€¦

#36

Yeah. Just like everyone running support. But then they are all slow. The negatives stack, too. The whole purpose of the perk point system is to make sure you canā€™t have it all. Even Dutch with thick skin and bane has some downsides, especially gear, mud up, speed, and interaction time. Even if it is a problem, the obvious solution is to reduce the perk bank from 11 to 10, definitely not nerfing the effectiveness entire fireteam.

#37

Theirs no wrong part about this you canā€™t go wrong Iā€™ve been wanting this for both fireteam and pred since beta

I like it to be as realistic as possible (with a lot of cut backs tho)

#38

So, how would this work if the whole team took Thick Skin?

Please be specific.

#39

The way i see itā€¦ it would be adaptive limiterā€¦

Once 4 members are fully aliveā€¦ the dmg reduction is less and predator deals the same damage to everyone that has it if they are in his wayā€¦ example combi stickā€¦

Once he kills one fireteamā€¦ the dmg reduction increasesā€¦ slowly upto the actual perk bonusā€¦

and when there is one guy aliveā€¦ the perk will basically be fully 100% bonusā€¦

#40

Thatā€™s not how thick skin works. It gives 25 health.

So, how would your system work if everyone has thick skin as a perk?