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#2035

Yeah it was Brian and I think there was a nerf to pistol damage quite a few patches ago but he did not provide a source to which this is patch placebo which entails people are basically smoking dicks, aka someone said there was a change when there really wasn’t 1011-12 has a decrease in damage but I want to say it was far before Oni to which I think most

SAWZ-50 Comparison

SAWZ-50 Damage - Patch 3.5.0

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SAWZ-50 Damage - Patch 2.40

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Hammerhead Comparison

Hammerhead Damage - Patch 3.5.0

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1011-12 Comparison

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This is somewhat annoying to check on a patch to patch scenario and I didnt create a backup for last patch but for full comparisons I basically have to have multiple versions of unpacked game files ready to be compared and I just updated both versions of my game not really caring about shadow patches lmao

Anyways…

This type of shit has always annoyed the fuck out of me

2 Likes
#2036

Illfonic with the incredible balance once again. Is this predator even playable?

#2037

Its playable but you gotta be smart, dont hold still or hammerheads will melt you in seconds even by casual players. He has the highest speed and stamina so he’s good for hit and run, a lot of Oni’s I’ve fought play like that. I would not advise the whip though, its very spotty on accuracy and players can dodge it easily if they see it coming

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#2038

So he’s not? Lol I’m not talking about pubs in privates good players never miss even while moving you don’t need to stand still they’ll still melt you speed doesn’t matter when you can’t even apply pressure to the fireteam all it takes is minutes and that mission is over hit and run won’t cut it. sounds like a better scout almost all these dlcs aren’t even playable fireteam damage is too insane and I’m not even counting field medic or the other specs and classes that make it more difficult.

#2039

Commas are your friend. And acktchuallay speed does matter. Even the best players miss their shots they are not perfect. Go watch @Anonymous.Voorhees13’s videos to see how someone can dominate in privates with both fast and slow Preds.

#2040

I’m not saying it’s not possible but its not ideal specially not against an insane squad and if you got no rules removing field medic or other classes you’re better off going with damage or with a tank predator like Amazon. Or use disk illfonic cash and grab dlcs never give you something broken as predator most of the time it’s a disadvantage. The only way to truly prove it is by playing the game

#2041

Lol @ tank predator

My friend, every single pred in the game can be melted in 3 seconds or less.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A TANK PRED. STOP BEING RE.TARDED.

#2042

calling some one that word over saying tank pred is insane no lie bro lol

#2043

He 100% is, I could not get close enough to do damage for melee or ranged either

#2044

This

#2045

He’s playable yes, but the FPS drops when you’re using cloak make it a bit of a nightmare to actually be able to concentrate enough to land every shot. Oni’s stats are good overall but I just don’t recommend playing as him too much in Private Matches during this current patch as the FPS drops will get very tedious very fast while you’re getting melted but can’t seem to string many consecutive shots together to get the downs & kills you need. FPS drops on PHG can be so bad they’ve made some people feel ill or lightheaded so it’s for the best to just play other classes in Privates.

The recoil buffs don’t seem to have made potato players any better in my experience so far this patch, it just seems to have buffed the experienced players who already knew how to aim. I’ll play some more public matches to test it further however.

Oni isn’t like a Scout. His health is around the same as Hunter (1300 is higher than Hunter but he has no Bullet Damage Resistance passives so they’re about the same in terms of actual effective health). He is the fastest in the game, his stamina is also good, he has the highest energy capacity so he can use Plasma effectively, he has 14 Gear Points so he can carry Traps & Motion Detectors, he has 10 perks points which isn’t the best but not terrible either, and his Specialisations are Assassin, Disciplined & Savage.

He is actually statistically a very good class, the only reason not to play as him currently is the FPS drops when using his cloak. Besides that, he’s pretty good.

This is true. Not everyone lands every shot. Especially if you know how to use movement efficiently. Some people may also be having an off-day & aren’t landing all their shots on top of that. The problem is when the Pred player is the one not landing all their shots coz they get fucked over because of it a lot more. Pred builds & RNG have a lot to do with Mission & Map pressure too. If you load in one match with a build without Large Pouch & Medic for once & suddenly no pigs are spawning you’re kinda royally fucked. Fireteam also has some missions that can be done in 3 mins flat depending on the map, and they can find ammo crates, medkits etc. On top of the stuff they bring into the match already (ammo bags, medkits etc.) Long story short the Pred player has to be creating pressure & landing as many shots as possible regardless of the situation.

Amazon is one of the fastest Predators in the game. So is Wolf & he has 1400 health. Scar is also quite fast & he has 1400 health. Bionic is around the same speed as Scar & he has 1350 health. But, you do have Mr Black with 1500 health & he’s the slowest Predator in the game. It’s not so much a case of Health being more important than Speed or Speed being more important than Health. It’s just not that simple. You need other good stats all round. Most of the best Predator classes in the game have both above average Health & Speed.

For example, Mr Black & Berserker both have 1500 health, and Berserker is actually slightly faster than Mr Black, but Mr Black has better Stamina, Energy, Specialisations, Perk Points & still has decent Gear, so he’s a way better class.

Speed is absolutely important though in 99% of cases. Heck, back when Wolf came out & he was the fastest Pred, Gesp said he believed Wolf was the best purely because of how fast he is. You can quite literally outmaneuvre people to get just out of their LOS to hit them with damage from behind to get value out of Assassin spec & he can also sprint to get behind cover & cut off the Fireteam’s LOS on him a lot faster than other Preds. Oni is even faster than Wolf & also has Assassin spec. He just has slightly less health to work with, just to make the comparison.

This is true, but higher health does make a difference. A lot of the time it’s not a very significant difference, but there is a difference nonetheless.

There are matches I’ve played in Privates where I have been able to secure kills with Mr Black (1500hp) that I never would’ve been able to secure with the likes of Jungle Hunter (1250hp), City Hunter (1250hp), Elder (1250hp) or even the likes of Pirate (1300hp), Bionic (1350hp) or Celtic (1350hp).

It just isn’t a simple case of Health or Speed being more important than one or the other.

As far as Oni goes, 1300hp isn’t terrible, as Pirate also has 1300hp & she’s a slower class with worse Stamina than Oni yet she’s an S Tier Predator.

The reason why Oni likely feels so weak health-wise in this patch is due to:

  • Fireteam accuracy & aiming getting buffed (recoil)
  • Oni’s FPS drops making the health drops seem even more aggregious & sudden than on most other Preds
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#2046

Maybe impenetrable would make Oni more tanky.
That’s 20% DR against bullets.
Imp/Down Range/Medic
Would be interesting to test.

#2047

He doesn’t have enough Perk Points for Impenetrable, Medic & Down Range.

He only has 10, Impenetrable takes up 6. It’s not worth it at all.

#2048

That’s every pred, even with increased stats, unlocked perks, gear, and specs it won’t make a difference

The best we got is some classes that somewhat come close to usable or even considerable

There is real only smart disc at least when in context to hair splitting gameplay, otherwise if you don’t lose half your hp or miss climb a tree and instantly go second wind than who you’re playing might have room for error to which most don’t care about at this point in time

#2049

What if it did tho? 🤣

#2050

You mean what if he did have enough Perk Points to run Impenetrable, Medic & Down Range?

I still wouldn’t see the point in running Impenetrable tbh. There’s no point when you could just play a better class like Scar that still has great overall stats but also has higher health.

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#2051

You can experiment with Ironside, and see if it helps any. I believe 25% damage reduction on everything including explosives from behind + moving/claiming/healing etc. It’s only three points, but it’s useless taking shots head-on, or from anywhere standing still. It’s one of those situational perks

It still should be effective if you move around a lot, and there’s really no reason why you should be taking many head-on shots, unless you mistakenly merge into a sharp FT without caution.

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#2052

https://youtu.be/5WLDYJ0mJCU

new drop, feat. @MassImpact124 cameo

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#2053

Yeah the fps drops have made playing predator more of a pain in the ass than it already was. Illfonic keeps fucking up this game each time an update drops. cloaking throwing the disk explosive barrel explosion and your game turns into a literal slide show sure the other bugs and inconveniences are annoying but the fps drops just make the game completely unplayable.

#2055

I also agree with you on the speed and health aspect of this game because although you still get melted it gives you a better chance of securing the kill. I wouldn’t use the other dlcs or classes even with the fast maneuvering and the damage output they might have. the fireteam damage still feels too high you’ve seen it yourself with infinite mike kon and many other pc players it becomes incredibly difficult to even engage you get pushed back everytime. although classes like scar Celtic and bionic might have good gear perks and a nice damage output specially if you have a more plasma centered play style I still don’t think they’re good enough. plasma isn’t as good as it used to be and with the field medic specialization and the support class all the damage reduction and instant pickup makes it even more difficult to get a kill. In my opinion I think Amazon and wolf are the best classes you can use atleast for my play style of using the disk. there both tankier predators or higher hp classes with high speed and good perk points and with the disk you don’t really need damage buffs like down range or stalker their nice but I don’t think its a necessity. The disk is ultimately what makes the biggest difference in a match it gives you the best chance at winning and I much rather use it than having to get up close with the combi stick or use plasma against supports with field medic and leader stack it just makes it impossible to do so this is just me though.