Predator Content Dilemma

#101

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#102

when in doubt, think like a super predator:

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#103

Canon = Original Creators

Copyrights owners and licensees = whoever the fuck with whatever the fuck

Disney does not have to do jack shit but wait for people to come knocking, decide for a nay or yay and then stir them do things how they prefer, with who they prefer or know/think that will attract larger audience/payerbase.
They payed off the Thomas brothers to shut up and be able to do whatever the fuck they want with the franchise, after the OGs legal attempt to get back behind the steering wheel.

Prey was terribru. :D
If it had nothing to do with Pred franchise (and it did not have much either, canonically speaking and not only), I’d say it would be an okey generic mainstream watch.

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#104

Brother Dx I hate to tell you this because yautja are one of my goats for loved characters but. I’m not lying when I tell you a lasgun is more powerful than a plasma shot and the space marine would laugh at it being shot Dx.

#105

Yautja and sangheili from halo are about equal in power scaling. So anything spartan, warframe, space marine, guardian or doom slayer would shmack around a yautja or elite. But anything below a spartan is usually fair game.

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#106

This may be true, but I like to still believe (despite how recent films, comics and PHG has made them) that Yautjas are the most intelligent, skilled and dangerous hunters in the galaxy, having slain creatures that would make space marines shit their cargos and openly cry for God to save them. A Pred would never charge and fire the castor in direct line of fire to something it knows would end them if it got shot by it.

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#107

The space warfare AvP scenario is still not implemented on the big screen, which honestly is the real deal in AvP cannon and would make for an epic saga of different stories and amazing movies if done right, which I’m very doubtful about in the first place. But it is still not seen, so even a mediocre movie might hit big.
After the AvP movie flops… seems that no one is willing to bet big on such big budget project for a more “niche” franchise.
The Marvels big run seems to be going down the slope too, or simply stagnated, we’ll see. Whorywood is fucked in all kinds of ways. No cow can be milked for eternity.

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#108

Brother, again as much as I love the yautja race, that statement should be flip flopped. The wh40k universe was specifically designed to be nothing but never ending war and unimaginable eldritch supernatural and biological horror. That’s why the astartes even exist. If they didn’t, humanity would’ve been devoured by one of the infinite horrors in the wh40k universe

#109

To put it into perspective the spacemarines would refer to the black goo as a low tier common illness compared to nurgles gifts. The xenomorphs themselves would be considered low tier bug infestations compared to tyranids. If you could think of a universe so horrible that you’d rather fight necromorphs that would be wh40k

#110

Oh you were talking about a crossover in the first place, lul I thought you had AvP in mind :D
How comics fan of you. Preds are outmatched in all kinds of crossovers lol.
The wolverine vs pred is hilarious bromance shizzle. Lmao…

Yes, the poor preds will most likely get obliterated by the armored big boys. Unless the marines are as usually main character cocky and wear no helmets :D Which would be perfect for a trophy.
Or they know they are inferior, screw the code of honor and resort to starship deathrays, which I don’t know how the marines can take or respond to in their department. :D

I don’t play WH or know anything about it, but it sounds like it would make for an epic movie.

Or something even more popular, well known and long awaited… Starcraft movie… Although the big studios have long missed their chance around the games hype… at least Warcraft got a movie, it was kind of potato, but good for a start, and there is where it was left… Diablo, another missed opportunity… And many more

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#111

You get it. Avp and yautjas are great and incredibly powerful to humans as we are now because they seem superhuman. But when you start getting into the realm of obliterating boulders with a single punch, or running straight through a armored vehicle or tanking tank rounds then yeah avp is like downgraded a bit. Now do I a think a yautja could kill a space marine? ABSOLUTELY but it would heavily depend on 2 things 1. Either that yautja is insanely gifted or 2. The space marine removes its armor. I mean space marines have died as stupidly as predators do in films. One space marine had their helmet off and died to a human and a piece of rebar in its neck. It can happen, but like movie predator deaths it’s rare and few between.

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#112

I think big mama would have a good chance at fighting a space marine. She is superhuman even by yautja standards.

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#113

But she would still be at a MASSIVE disadvantage. But she was as well when she fought dc and marvel characters and still got trophies, so she’ll have a chance.

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#114

Going down the slope of what ifs, as you said the perfect storm of events would be needed, as they are inferior by base design.
We can easily demagog around the Predator movie and or few comics and usual franchises with gene enhancements, hybridization, technological evolution in order to overcome marine armor, etc.
The already mentioned mothership weapons against honorable hunting practices/initiation etc.
Canonwise they are cooked almost every time. Only ambush tactics can secure a kill, when the guard and defense of a space marine is down.
But I agree about big moma.

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#115

Fucking Christ, no wonder Predator is all over the fucking place

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At least you could focus on the Writers

Consistency is all over the fucking place

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#116

I had high hopes for the Thomas bros to bring the cannon back, but once again that includes too much variables to go right, I mean the old OC movies teams are long past their prime, some are not even among the living or still working, replaced by newer gens, most of which with their own artistical values/talents, style, aspirations or egos. The movies and the industry nowadays are not what they were back then as well. Not to mention the viewers/audience. Or all the built predverse/franchises through the years.
Do they swipe it all and continue where they left, do they use parts they like and make sense, do they simply go the money route, questions, questions.

Here is a random interesting clip I stumbled upon last night. Almost everything is CGI, metawriting, copy pasting or the usual Bread and circuses nowadays.

There is still a chance of them reobtaining rights after Disney if that was negotiated for a future time frame behind closed doors. But I rather believe a hefty sum was dropped to put the final nail in the coffin.
And once again, they may or may not revive the Predator… so we’re stuck with the dull monetary era of the franchise for now. Who knows, maybe some project ahead might do more stuff right and the stars will align for a nice hunt. :D

But good on you for doing some research to understand the whole picture a bit better.

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#117

guess you just stuck in the old news. a shame that you’re living in your own dream, thinking that Pred 1 and Pred 2 are only canon that we have in 30 years.

Licensing and copyrights means everything in any media. And those who have them – yes can do whatever they want. It’s as simple as it sounds. When you lost your rights – it is over. That is what happened to George Lucas.

to understand, need to follow this path:

  1. The Predator: Hunters and Hunted novel revealed that Roger Elliot (a man who trained Stargazer team to capture a living Predator) encountered a Predator during the Vietnam War.
  2. Predator (1987)
  3. Dutch ingame tapes 1-5 and Sean Keyes (OWLF) ingame tapes 1-3 takes place right after the events of the first film and prior to second.
  4. Predator 2 (1992)
  5. This one is large:
  • Predator: Stalking Shadows novel covers some moments and ending to a second film. After that, the events scattered throughout the years and prior to, most likely 2019.
  • Sean Keyes ingame tapes 4-20 covers events after 1997 and prior to 2016 when OWLF was closed and replaced by Stargazer.
  • Dutch ingame tapes 6 tells about his encounter with Cleopatra happened in 2008.
  1. The Predator: Hunters and Hunted novel follows as a prequel to 2018 film.
  2. Sean Keyes ingame tapes 21-28 tells about Sean work with Stargazer prior to opening scene from 2018 film.
  3. The Predator (2018) and Sean Keyes ingame tape 29.
  4. Dutch ingame tape 7. In this tape, Dutch shares some thoughts about Stargazer. Year is 2019 so after that tape events must be going prior to 2025.
  5. Sean Keyes ingame tapes 30-35. Tapes about Sean work in reestablished OWLF, making contact with Voodoo military project, thoughts about Stargazer and also a mention about Cleopatra location.
  6. This one is controversial. We don’t know in which year Predators movie takes place, so I assume it must be around 2020-2025 because Sean later mentioned that Isabelle were gone for a year.
  • Predators: Welcome to the Jungle and A Predatory Life comic books shares some light on a past of Royce and Noland prior to their abduction.
  • Predators (2010) and Predators: Beating the Bullet comic book. Comic book is an interpretation of a film in the eyes of Isabelle. It has some difference from it, but uncovers a little about her past.
  • Predators: Surviving Life comic book. The comic continues the story of Royce and Isabelle on the game preserve planet after the events of the film.
  1. Sean Keyes ingame tapes 36-37 and Isabelle ingame tapes 1-4. All of this tapes is about Isabelle return on Earth.
  2. Dutch ingame tape 7 set in 2025 and Sean Keyes ingame tapes 38-39 is about him leaving the OWLF and joining Dutch team.

guess that is is. some dates are 100% incorrect. we also don’t know what happened when Dutch finally knows when Cleo is about. is creates a gap between Sean tapes 35-39, Isabelle and Dutch 2025

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#118

i dearly hope that mckenna and the other survivors were mercilessly slaughtered, just so we can be satisfied knowing that those crappy characters are dead

#119

in my understanding, he just leaves with his family when the shit with Stargazer going loose hits the fan

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#120

Imagine going spitefully on wild goose chase of a main storyline, just to prove how much plot holes, bullshit and nonsense are out there.
You could not even properly construct the character timelines in your little selective narrative, jumping from random creator to creator or character to character.
You love your tapes I got it already :D, plus some extra shit someone pulls out of his ass to spice/fill that storyline.
“Canon is not restricted to works by the original creator but includes all officially approved content.”

As far as I’m concerned the intellectual property is in the hands of the original creators first, then,
studio/partners and everything else is simple shit business, they simply got eaten by a bigger fish, a conglomerate.
The ones that came up with the idea, whole screenplay and writing, then the whole team to execute it are not supposed to be the whores of some shareholders corporation contractors or production/distribution/publisher/partners, and have no say in the future of their idea, just to be butchered by whoever and however for the sake of money.
You must be a fan of Ray Kroc :D

And you should not bring SW into this mess, it’s yet another Disney franchise to ruin.
Lucas is Star Wars!
And regarding all the garbage that’s been released, not surprisingly the better ones had at least a bit of guidance, presence or steering from George himself. Although, still Rogue one and Mando are pretty mediocre and potato. Kenobi actually brought some old and well known vibes for the short story it is.

But when you throw the ball to Dave boy (lucky George was still on the boat for the Clone Wars masterpiece) and randoms writing the future of your universe, it gets messy.
At least most of them tried to have stable stories and timeline depiction or make some desperate attempt to dig in potato character lore, the usual bring old actors move, even if it’s CGI, since they know their fanbase well and from where the franchise grew to its scale, good old original reference meta.
So at least they made up the obnoxious shit interconnected to the canon/original story.
Plus under Disney, we lucked out and got an unfinished masterpiece Battlefront 1/2 games.

And in George’s case, he passed the ball and does not really care anymore, happy to spend his fortune after his brilliant work in the past, and the legacy built upon his and his teams work. Now the new kids have taken the lead. In before it gets completely destroyed or goes to a ton of canon resets/entirely new era…

Classic, absolute classic.

You also seem to be missing another fundament of the topic.
Heres some AI copy pasta:

George Lucas owned the rights to Star Wars before Disney acquired Lucasfilm in 2012. Lucas had negotiated a contract with 20th Century Fox in the 1970s that granted him the merchandising rights to Star Wars in exchange for a reduced director’s salary. This deal proved to be highly lucrative, as Star Wars became one of the most successful merchandising franchises in history18.

Lucas retained full control over the franchise, including sequels and merchandising, until he sold Lucasfilm to Disney for $4.05 billion in 2012. The sale included all rights to Star Wars , Indiana Jones , and other Lucasfilm properties37.

After the sale, Lucas did not retain any direct ownership rights to the franchise but continues to benefit financially through Disney shares and potential residual payments from his earlier work23.

While the Thomas brothers sold themselves short in order to put their work to life on the big screen:

The rights to the Predator franchise were initially owned by Jim and John Thomas , the original writers of the 1987 film. They sold the rights to 20th Century Fox (now 20th Century Studios) in the 1980s as part of their deal for producing the movie.

However, under U.S. copyright law, creators can reclaim ownership of their work after a certain period (typically 35 years) through a termination provision. In 2021, the Thomas brothers attempted to exercise this right to regain control of the Predator franchise from Disney, which had acquired 20th Century Fox in 2019. Disney countered with a lawsuit, arguing that the original screenplay was a “work for hire,” meaning Fox (and now Disney) owned the rights outright.

The legal battle was settled in January 2022, with undisclosed terms. As of now, Disney retains control over the Predator franchise , allowing it to continue producing films like Prey (2022). While the Thomas brothers originally owned the rights, they no longer hold them due to their sale and subsequent legal settlement.

Also, credit goes not only to them but:

The franchise’s success also owes much to John McTiernan , who directed the first film, and Stan Winston , who designed the Predator creature. Winston’s design, including its iconic mandibles, was influenced by a suggestion from James Cameron during a flight. Together, these creative contributions helped establish the Predator as a legendary sci-fi character34.

At least we got AvP, AvP2 and AvP 2010 under 20thCF.

Heres a look at the Alien OC:

The screenplay for the 1979 film Alien was written by Dan O’Bannon , with the story credited to Dan O’Bannon and Ronald Shusett . However, the script underwent significant revisions by Walter Hill and David Giler of Brandywine Productions, who added elements like the android character Ash123. Despite these contributions, the Writers Guild of America awarded O’Bannon sole credit for the screenplay12.

Here is a breakdown of the key contributors:

  • Dan O’Bannon : Original script and story.
  • Ronald Shusett : Co-creator of the story.
  • Walter Hill and David Giler : Contributed to script revisions, including adding the android subplot.

And also the person and the team behind ( H.R. Giger The Swiss artist designed the Xenomorph, which has become an iconic symbol of horror in cinema. His work on the creature’s design and the derelict ship contributed significantly to the film’s visual impact.), that brought it to to life and the way we know and think of it visually today:

Ridley Scott did not own the rights to the Alien franchise. He directed the original 1979 film but did not secure ownership of the franchise. The rights to the Alien series were held by 20th Century Studios (previously 20th Century Fox)4. Scott has expressed regret over not securing ownership, comparing his situation to filmmakers like Steven Spielberg and James Cameron, who have maintained control over their respective franchises12. Despite not owning the rights, Scott has remained involved in the franchise, particularly with his prequels Prometheus and Alien: Covenant , and has been consulted on other projects within the series.

Despite Ridley’s huge ambition on a later stage and love for the franchise, it’s impossible to overlook:

1. James Cameron : As the writer and director of Aliens (1986) , Cameron expanded the universe, turning the film into a sci-fi action classic. His vision helped make the franchise more diverse and appealing to a broader audience. Plus he delivered an overall upgrade to the Alien lore with the sequel.
2. Special Effects Team : The use of innovative special effects, such as the Xenomorph suits and mannequins, enhanced the film’s visual impact and tension. John Richardson’s work on the special effects was instrumental in creating the iconic scenes
3.Brandywine Productions contributing through all the legacy films and Alien 3 key figures responsible for the movie:

Key Figures

  1. Directors Considered and Attached:
  • Clive Barker: Initially offered the director’s chair but declined due to creative differences1.
  • Ridley Scott: Was approached to return to the franchise but turned down due to other commitments1.
  • Stephen Hopkins: Also offered the director’s role but declined due to exhaustion and other projects1.
  • David Fincher: Ultimately directed the film, marking his feature film debut36.
  1. Screenwriters:
  • William Gibson: Wrote an early draft, which was significantly different from the final version4.
  • David Giler and Walter Hill: Contributed to the screenplay along with Larry Ferguson and Vincent Ward5.
  1. Designers:
  • H.R. Giger: The original Alien designer was involved early in the project but his contributions were largely unused due to contractual disputes2.
  1. Producers:
  • Gordon Carroll: Played a significant role in the production, including hiring H.R. Giger2.
  1. Cast:
  • Sigourney Weaver: Starred as Ellen Ripley, reprising her role from the previous films.

Production Challenges

  • Alien 3 faced numerous challenges, including script changes, directorial shifts, and studio interference, which impacted its final product.
    So it was all going down hill at that project and as every Resurrection movie, although the Alien one was decent, the script went obnoxious and it pretty much flopped and ended Alien.

4. Sigourney Weaver : Her portrayal of Ellen Ripley in the first four films cemented her status as a cultural icon and helped define the series’ narrative core.

Honorable mentions in gaming again under owning rights:

When the games Aliens vs. Predator (1999) , Aliens vs. Predator 2 (2001) , or Aliens vs. Predator (2010) were developed. These games were licensed by 20th Century Fox to developers and publishers like Rebellion and Monolith Productions.

However, SEGA acquired the exclusive rights to develop video games based on the Alien franchise in December 2006 through an agreement with 20th Century Fox Licensing & Merchandising. This agreement covered next-generation gaming systems and led to the development of titles such as Alien: Isolation (2014) and Aliens: Colonial Marines (2013)