Facts
Predator is garbage
its not a fact if you don’t know
For me it’s a fact that the game is too easy as predator for you maybe not. I’m guessing you can’t win as often as me so there’s that.
I’ve learned today that I’m the minority most people seem to struggle so I can see how you might not believe it’s possible to win a lot.
To be fair I consider myself an average to slightly above average Predator and I win 90% of my games as well.
Not playing meta.
And to be clear, I consider a win as any match that ends in Fire Team Eliminated or Self Destruct Successful.
Everything else is a loss for Predator in my opinion.
i mean, you can say dont say git gud, but thats the problem; git gud. i NEVER lose as predator unless i goof around too often
imo predator needs a nerf or 3
The issue here is not me or how good I am. The issue is the majority of players. When the majority have the same issue then it is a valid problem.
If the majority are not heard then the majority stop playing and your left with a dead game.
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U right. The only problem is people who are really good now are going to be unstoppable with a buff which can cause the same problem, idk how they can fix this.
And that’s where the balance issues come in, one bad FT can ruin the fireteams game. A bad Pred ruins the FTs game. A lot of this comes down to skill and why it’s so hard to balance an asymmetrical game.
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this game is not intended to be an esport so honestly they can’t cator to the minority. I hate to say that but it is true. games that are designed to be esports the competition keeps them alive. This does not have that luxury.
They need to listen to the majority and the people who the game is way to easy for can always make it so they challenge themselves in different ways by playing in more challenging ways until illfonic can put out other modes or other ways to challenge people.
But currently the best way to maintain the player base is to listen to the majority so they don’t lose them.
No one wants to see this game hemerage its player base. no one wants to see it go the way of evolve, or so many other games before it.
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Yes skill is a major factor in this game, and this is why I think balance decisions need to be based on data from the majority, and not either extreme end of the spectrum.
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I was just playing and bouncing all over. Then I leap right behind a bunch of fire team up high on watch as others are dispatching to find me and I throw my combo stick at a dudes head (I’m just to the side of him with cloak and he can’t see me), direct hit to his face, reveal myself and go in for some stabby stabs. Bro came right for me zero fear and parried consistently and being stubborn I stay to prove a point and I was disappointed to see that the Predator is barely strong enough for melee and then when his buddy starts gunning me while I feel I have to end this cockroach, I die, and he remains. Yes I should have whittled his health down first but the guy wasn’t expecting anything, combi stick to the head, and hand to hand combat and he never dies? Lame. Oh well. Guess I’ll have to adapt and try to be less of a tank when I’m feeling gutsy.
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Let the pro/comp players play in private matches and come up with their own leaderboard and what not.
I am willing to bet most would be happier with whatever they came up with themselves than anything they could ever hope for Illphonic to provide.
Instead of lobbying for nerfs and buffs I would be lobbying for more options for private matches.
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I don’t say the FT needs a nerf because of my experience. its from all the posts I am seeing. FT and Pred are all saying it. Its a lot of people and its a hot topic. The beserker needed a nerf and he got it. the plasma caster probably could have done without a nerf to be honest but the peaking 1shots needed to be stopped so I can accept the nerf as a place holder for a different change.
The majority needs to make sure they keep saying what they need cause devs can be blind on their product cause its just like any artist. you don’t see the flaws until you have stepped back and looked at it after a while or others point it out.
The issue here is people are letting their personal experience get in the way.
Yes the pred can be strong if done very very well. The issue is that should not be the case. The average person should be able to do well with the pred and a really good person should excel. The issue currently is a bad player can do very well with fireteam and a good player can be destroyed as the pred.
Skill gap and everything else that so many people are saying is literally the problem. There should not be such a huge skill gap. The game becomes boring for both sides due to how easy it is to win as the FT and how hard it is to play as the pred.
The majority of data says this.
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see allowing private matches to allow you to alter variables for the match isn’t a bad idea either but first they need to find the right balance for the majority before that. Currenly the highly skilled players can set rules of engagement for their matches in private to equal the same thing… roughly.
I dont have problems wiping most of the ft squads i face. Just 1 out of 10 matches i get to face a FT squad that i cant even show up from 1 km away that they melt my life instantly.
1 out of 6 matches i face real FT players who protect each other and i get to kill most of them but some escape in the end cuz its Impossible to kill everybody.
And like i Said, most of the time i feel Very confortable using both ranged or melee equiped pred.
So. I think the pred is not GARBAGE at all. But at the same time If you get a FT squad playing at the same level you play as the pred, you are doomed!
So i think the game’s balance is ok right now.
But as the player base increases i believe they will need to buff the pred a lot.
I play as pred since the trial. But for newcomers i really believe playing as the pred is almost a death sentence.
IMO FT should be slightly above predator because that’s the majority most people don’t play predator because of the wait times. Angry joe did a whole review on this game and never played as predator.
Angry Joe is a douchebag, and his review was garbage. Made me question if he really even plays video games. He couldn’t even figure out basic shit…
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I honestly believe the issue is currently the balance is set to be 2 ft members equal the strength of the pred. This makes it to were if the pred makes a slight mistake or the FT is skilled they melt the pred.
This will be hard to balance because this is the first game that is set like this. YES there are a lot of 4v1 games like this but none of them you can just out right kill the creature. There is criteria you have to fulfill first in some way or you just can’t kill them at all. examples are dead by daylight, deciept, white noise, ff13. I can go on and on.
The because of this its going to make it really hard to actually be able to balance the game correctly until they figure out how they want to do it.
They could put criteria in that the FT has to fulfill first before they can kill the pred but that would mess with the flow of the game pretty hard. So the most logical and easiers is the nerf the FT or buff the pred.
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Yeah I would say you are correct on the two man part. Me and my buddy said fuck the objectives the other night made a bunch of noise to bring in the Pred and fucked him down in seconds. We did this in multiple matches.