nope. because the selection is broken as fuck … when i played no preference. i never got picked as a predator maybe once. it doesnt even work properly. and forcing people to play a mode they dont want to play and already sick of and bored. is a bad idea not a good one
Predator Wait times, queues, estimates, alternate game mode, FIXES
Yep if they do that we will have the same problem.as league of legend. People quitting the game for be the pred
what do you think about a 5 player FFA of all preds hunting buffed (smarter) AI?
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And eachother…
thats why i mentioned statistically based system, and the alternative game mode of 5 pred FFA, i think that solves both problems, if you only want to play pred, play 5 player FFA, if you want to hunt fireteam human players, wait your turn, it sucks but its better than this waiting game we have now…taking hours to get two full games in i think is far worse than the alternative game mode and actually taking turns at this point…the wait is unreal, it always says a few minutes…
but thats why i also said if you quite a queue or game your counter resets to zero resulting in no benefit from quitting…which should solve the LoL quitting pattern
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and instead of waiting to be pred getting nothing accomplished, you’d at the least be playing, time spent more fun that sitting in empty queues, and gaining experience towards unlocks etc…it just seems better to me all around and you can guarantee after some time youll get to be pred but youll be busy while you do it, itll pass faster and result in a more robust experience i feel…definitely need some better backend on this also, im not sure how they are matchmaking but given the fact its in epic store, and ps4, theres gotta be better existing deployment of matchmaking from almost any other game out right now, maybe they can work out a deal for that with epic(preferably not PlayStation, notoriously bad on that end no offense)?
they need to fix the matchmaking somethings clearly broken … the timers are all off. maybe it needs some backend work idk …
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@IllFonic, I(maybe we as a community) am(are) curious to hear your thoughts on this? What do you think? Good/Bad Ideas? How quickly could this be implemented and incorporated? Are suggestions and requests like this reasonable? What kind of suggestions are you looking for? Im just trying to be beneficial to the community and the game and you(the devs). I understand this couldnt happen overnight, but maybe shoot out a message and reply saying hey, we hear you, we are looking into X, Y and Z and this is where we are at with A,B and C. We think this could be done by (insert date here) etc…im just trying to make things more conversational, know that we appreciate the work youre doing and the time you put in!
There’s nothing wrong with it other than selfish people refusing to play Fireteam and then complaining about queue times and that they hit 100 and can’t keep getting Veritanium. I fully support a cap on how many times you can queue for Pred relative to how much you’ve played Fireteam. Even if it’s just making you play Fireteam once after every two or three Pred games it would be an improvement now.
The only other thing you might claim is broken is the no preference option because it never gives you Pred. That’s just because of how many people are queuing for only Pred.
Yea i play FT 90% of the time, but the hand full of times i want to play pred the queue is ridiculous. I think a statistical gate would be nice so everyone gets to play without waiting 30 min to get dropped into an empty queue or one half filled who then back out after a minute. Leaving you waiting in the queue multiple times before getting a full game. Have it auto select the person who has statistically played it the least of the lobby. Incorporate a pass button if you don’t want to be it, and call it a day. Lobby times will drop to near zero, and progression through the game will be significantly faster, wait times will diminish, and overall quality of life will improve, because some people choose to only play as pred, it kinda ruins the game…
Another cool addition might be getting bumped back to lobby with the same group and it auto rotate to the next player to be pred, so you don’t have to back out and re queue. If you wanted to leave you could, and thatd be great,you could leave, autofill would fill one spot instead of four and times lower again. I think the matchmaking is the worst part of the game…outside of that the game is great, but waiting all day to play pred sucks, specially when you keep getting dropped into empty lobbies or half filled and they leave, then you gotta requeue and wait again, and its always longer than advertised with their estimate wait time
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Why is it that people who keep wanting to randomize predator turns never take into account that some of us bought the game to only play pred. That was the whole selling point of this game.
So my money has to go into something that I find random and boring cause yall cant think of a better solution?
Are you gonna refund all the people who only care about pred? If I wanted to play fps I’d go play mw or any of the other 100’s of the games in that genre.
The solution is not to make pred random. But to make fireteam feel fun and cool. I dont like ft because it feels so generic and boring. But theres the problem. How do you make humans more fun to play WITHOUT making them too strong?
Answer that and we will have a start towards finding a solution to people only wanting one side.
Because honestly I love playing pred, I rarely play ft. But, make ft fun, and il play both possibly an even amount.
Also giving human more rewards is not a solution. Cause i dont care about farming the ingame currency or leveling up. I’m lv 63 and I feel I have all I need.
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refusing to play fireteam the same old repetive mode or game where ive played 100 plus times and bored of the same old objective where ive nothing to gain by doing so and many others wont. im level 80 something and que times still suck. so you support a cap forcing people to play a mode they dont want too? yeah. no that isnt going to work it wont work. an improvement? in all my games getting me to level 80 whatever i am i must of got picked to be predator twice. i think the whole things botched or bugged but what do i know?
I’m not in favor of randomizing it so much but there should be a cap because obviously you’re not the only one that wants a break from Fireteam and other people want a chance. It’s about trying to be fair so everyone can have a chance and obviously “no preference” does jack shit while the Pred only option is so heavily saturated. It doesn’t need to dip into the “no preference” pool when so many people have Pred only selected.
I don’t like forcing shit on anybody but at the same time it’s not fair that many people would love to have a mix and just don’t get shit because some are a bit selfish and always choose Pred only.
That’s basically the point of this, everyone wants to play pred, and the rest of us just suck it up and play ft more often than not, because we’re tired of waiting in ridiculous queues…
@MagenZion thats exactly what I’m saying, matchmaking mechanics need work, it seems everyone wants to be pred, obviously thats why we bought the game, no one bought this game to play FT. LITERALLY NO ONE…if they did, they’d play CS, COD, HALO, etc I mean the list goes on and on and on about FPS’s without a pred…but we all bought this game cus we wanna play pred…im not a fan of forcing anything on anyone either, but doing it statistically out of your last ten games or something should shake things up and even it out a bit…that way you don’t have to rely on rng and keep getting shit on because your rng sucks…but an actual mathematical theorem to evenly disperse the odds of playing pred would be nice…no preference definitely doesn’t work, ive literally never been pred playing no preference…not one time…
I understand we are in beta, but thats a relatively simple mechanic to incorporate into matchmaking…when they store your account info in the DB and your stats(which they definitely do), why not use your pred/FT ratio to determine who should be “It”
Don’t you remember playing tag as a kid…you had to take turns being it, cus your parents were tired of listening to you argue amongst siblings and friends about who’s it? Same thing applies here…everyone is bitching, so remove the preference, give everyone a fair shot, move on…sucks it come to this because if we wanna play pred we should be able to, but when the ratio is 1 to 4 pred to FT, there are literally 4 times as many players stuck being FT when they select no pref trying to play fairly to the handful of people who are only willing to play pred…which is literally why we all bought this game. Hence I mentioned the 5 pred FFA PVP game mode…
That’s an uncreative and lazy solution. The problem is ft is boring. Find a way to make them fun. Without them being too strong. Stop trying to randomize it.
Because making pred random will make a lot of ppl walk away. But if ft is made fun and cool then people won’t mind as much playing both sides. I know I wouldn’t.
I dont mind the queu’s, what i do hate that the estimate times are way off! And also that i join a empty or not a complete lobby so i have to cancel and enter another queu. I know i need to wait longer then a ft match as a predator but at least tell me how long i have to wait.
Why cant they fill a lobby when the lobby is not full yet??? Is it so hard when there are 2 empty spots to put 2 new players in??
Hmmm, that’s an interesting point. I haven’t really thought about how I feel about it so I might have to revisit that but my initial, gut reaction is to say I don’t think I got this game for just playing Pred. I like the atmosphere. The tension is great. Some games like Hunt: Showdown have too much (not that it’s a really comparable game to PHG in any other way) and I just can’t play them much but PHG feels like the matches are an okay enough length that it doesn’t keep my heart racing for 15 minutes and I can only play a match or two before I need to take a breather.
I suppose the overall stats of players in a lobby is one way but feels like it may result in what many have said: many people stopping playing. I feel like a simple per hour counter on how many times you can play Pred to how many times you’ve played Fireteam would be better because it doesn’t take such a huge swing to change it compared to using a player’s overall stats. Like, you have to consider how it’d be if they added that in. The players that no-lifed Pred queue would be screwed for ‘x’ amount of time till their amount of games as FT increased in their stats.
It’s definitely a tough nut to crack and I don’t know that there’s any one right answer but something has to be done or people will really stop playing.
Oh somebody more or less summed up what I put down XD Whoops
It really does need alot of time to get into a match as a predator, the fastest time i’ve got into was 4 minutes! And it is between 16:00 to 19:00!! And now the predator is finally playable and not underpowered the way he was before! Now i destroy the fireteam easily, so good to play as the predator man.
Nope, terrible idea mate, this is mych better than a randomised killer. Because there are predator mains out there, and people will just leave the match to be the predator, they should fix their matchmaking.
again there is nothing random about it, you know how many games you’ll have to play to be pred, we all got this to play pred mostly, idk how else to explain that basing it off of your games played is not RNG(random number generator) it is statistical, predictable, consistent, nothing random about it at all…just gives everyone a fair shot, and if youd prefer not to be pred, cool, add the pass button and its no longer an issue, but queue times will be next to zero…
think about this, everyones biggest complain right now is the INSANE queue times to play pred, if you remove that and have it base off of pred games / FT games played, no one waits to play, ever…we will play through our games, get to play pred from time to time, and instead of wasting 45 minutes in queue to be placed into an empty lobby, we just play as FT for that time, getting better, learning from other preds, getting xp, its not just wasted time sitting in a lobby or queue doing nothing
what sense does it make to sit in queue forever to be dropped into an empty lobby to repeat for an hour, getting literally nothing accomplished, instead your time playing will be your queue, prospective is everything, you appear to perceive this as making you play pred less, when in fact youd be playing it an equal amount but your queue would not be on the menu, itd be four rounds in game as FT actually progressing and getting better, learning maps more, finding locations of things, building your teamwork skills…not sure what youre missing with this and still think its RNG, youre just playing FT during your queue instead of sitting on main menu or in empty lobby repeatedly
if you prefer not to play FT and have the ridiculous wait time, then by all means, have a ridiculous wait time getting nothing accomplished and not progressing at all, atleast this way you make progress, gain xp and arent sitting in an empty lobby only to requeue again or sitting in incredibly long waits on main menu just to be dropped into an empty lobby…the time will pass faster because youll be busy and not staring at your default pred choking your default FT loadout on main menu watching the clock tick miles past your estimated queue time over and over and over again
tell me what im missing here
cant make FT fun without making pred suck…your underpowered and its meant to be that way…because it should take 3+ FT members to take out pred…
uncreative and lazy? Whats your solution you say “Make FT fun” okay…How???
Let’s hear your solution…make ft fun is not a solution, its a blanket statement that doesnt solve anything,no guidance on how to make FT fun, what would make it fun? how would you do it?
Notice the last paragraph of my initial post “leave a reply below with your opinions on this and if you think it will help with some of the problems through the growing pains of the infancy of this what could be amazing game, or if you think it won’t, but please also add why it wont help, bitching to bitch solves nothing, ive added what i think could be changed and HOW it would help, what it would impact”
maybe revisit the embolden area of this and get back to us.