I am Lazy,
And yet I seem to be the only one trying to really push this game back on track with actually thought out ideas, instead of half baked ideas, and knee jerk reactions.
And yet I would say Ive still somehow managed to incorporate ideas from all around the playerbase and make them fit together.
If illfonic didnt half ass the game on release, I gurantee you we wouldnt have to talk about this.
Because they would have already dealt with it.
Dude the guy isnt lazy.
At least we agree on that <3
No hard feelings tho renegade, Im always happy to argue with you all day Haha!
Yeah man no hard feelings :) We agree and disagree on topics.
I want the game to takeoff and thrive just as much as you do.
Anyone who is here does. But not everyone agrees on what needs to be done.
Or when they hear what needs to be done, they cant accept it because it destroys something in the game that they may be finding fun.
Thats the difficulty of game design these days. So many voices,
But so many of them are voices without a mind behind them.
Add onto that whatever fuckery publishers pull and thats why every game these days falls on its face before it even takes its first step.
@Renegade, you right the lack of content aint helping anything.
But I like how everyone seems to forget that almost in every game you couldnât earn things in private matches. It goes waaay back.
Thatâs changed with a few games recently. But it just makes sense to not get rewards in private matches. But despite that, I think itâs too late for the change to matter.
Aside from a few ppl here and there, I dont think it would really affect anybody if they removed rewards from private matches.
So I dont see why so many ppl are tripping.
But again, Ren, we do need more stuff I agree.
But before even that the main thing we need is bug fixes.
A lot of ppl tend to point out lack of content for a declining player base.
But it doesnât matter if we had 10 game modes, 30 classes, 100 weapons, 50 maps, IF were overrun by bugs, glitches and stuff like the bad leap indicator we have that doesnât register obstacles in the way half the time.
Sorry for going off topic, but honestly, it doesnât matter too much if private has no rewards. Weâll be fine.
This.
This is why I have so far only focused on reworking what we Have
There needs to be a law that online games cannot release paid dlc until after the first year of their lifespan. This would give time for the devs to iron out the core games, and get the publishers off their nutsack because the stakes are so much higher without the whales to fund the game though microtransactions and shit.
More like a law to make it that games must be complete. Hard to define complete, but I would say comparing to 90âs or early 2000âs would be the best bet. Before games started throwing out dlcs honestly.
Agreed there.
I think players will quit if you change it. Itâs really that simple, I donât think it will boost the population of public matches to any substantial degree.
Youâre so convinced that itâs a design flaw, but it actually one of the better features they included imo, it gives flexibility in the future to have more interesting matches and challenges, that can be learned solo or with a friend.
As for devs screwing themselves by listening to players who donât know what theyâre talking about we agree, I just think people who are arguing for restriction are those players.
Perhaps so. I do still believe it will boost the population of the matches. Its not a question of if it will or not. Its a question of How Much
It is a design flaw, from the perspective of a game dev. You have created a game, that solely thrives on multiplayer, and yet you have made it FAAAAAR more encouraging to just play solo in private matches.
And yet they got the design right when it comes to pred vs fireteam. Pred intentionally does not make a lot of veritanium, because pred is what everyone wants to play. So they gimped pred rewards, and dramatically buffed fireteam rewards.
Its the same here. You can either play pubs, or play private solo. When you are making more solo, then that is what everyone wants to play. So you gimp the solo, and people return to pubs. same logic, different situation.
And finally, no matter what you give casual players, they will lock onto something and get attached. this is why they arent best to listen to, as they dont give the thought out responses. No matter what you give the casuals, they will likely have fun as long as they can play. Thats why all games these days are mostly ass. Because the casuals will buy it anyways, the devs dont bother making good games anymore.
I find the above to be bigoted garbage that contradicts your own position. Casuals obviously need more incentive to play if the population is declining.
Regardless of how much someone plays or wether theyâre a casual or a gamer, the content of their post is what matters. I really donât think balancing a game is as easy as you seem to think, it isnât just your personal experience that matters, and that experience isnât more valid than another players.
I happen to think this is a pretty good game, needs more real content but has an excellent base to build from.
Weâll see what the devs do.
I think the way you write about the other members of the form who disagree with you is something you should think about. âTheyâre casuals who donât know what their talking aboutâ, âtheyâre mouths with no mindsâ, you see what I mean, not very nice or a good way to have conversation. When you say something like that on a forum, youâre saying it to a whole room of people, not just the person youâre speaking with about someone not present. Everyone who disagrees with you is likely to read one of those lines.
A lot of casuals are not playing right now because of abuse of certain mechanics, bugs, exploits, poor performance, etc.
I agree, my posts for the most part have a ton of peoples additions all around. Just because most ideas arent thought out doesnt mean they are bad. But when the majority are like that, you have to pick things out carefully
I didnt say this
I said most responses arent thought out. This means that while good ideas are there, a lot of people push them with no thought given to the effect they will have, or how they will fit into the game.
Its devs blindly listening to them, that is the issue with most games.
I try to respect everyone personally on this forum. However, I am quite tired of the accusations of âyou favor predâ, âyou favor FTâ, âyou just want people too have to play like youâ
Every single thing I put into my posts, and even a majority of my responses is for the health, and longevity of the game.
I am public enemy #1 regardless of what I say because everything i say is controversial. My patience for it is much thinner, true, and I can be rude at times, also true.
Sorry hereâs the actual quote, Iâm still learning the forums mechanics. I was paraphrasing and should have said so.
The belief that devs blindly listen to whatever they read however Ill-informed, why do you bother if thatâs the case?
No problem. I didnt remember saying that lol!
Okay you got me there. But I do mean it in the same way. The loudest people generally, havent thought about the things they have proposed to change. But others support, because many people knee jerk react to things in similar ways. Its understandable for sure. But it doesnt help, nor does it help devs to blindly listen.
And yes, I know I myself am loud. Ive been raising my voice here over the past month, because when I started it was just that. Half thought out ideas. But I recognized this and asked for feedback.
Over the past month, And about 56 edits later, I believe ive reached a point where ive created something great for us all. So now im raising my voice so it may be heard.
That⌠definitely has carried over To this post in an unhealthy way, I wont disagree. But I do my best.
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For the devs blindly listening, I dont think thats the case 100% with illfonic right now. Im just speaking about the game industry all around. I think illfonic has been taking light steps. But I think that might be a bad thing as major changes are needed for this game to get back to life imo
Personally I donât think every post has to be thought out in the extreme.
My posts tend to be one serious one that looks at a feature or option that might be fun, the next might be about ATVâs and driving around the map for shits and giggles.
I donât think vehicles are high on the todo list but Iâd like to talk about them. Where as rewards that can be earned in public matches, or added challenges that you could put in are much more needed to get people to grind for tickets or currency to use them and have that experience.
Not every post is about building up the player base but then again those post require more thinking. I noticed you donât comment on my posts is there a reason?
You are right about that one. Thats why im saying I still do love some of the out there ideas that get put out there, because alot of them while they wouldnt work right now They could work later on depending on how the game changes.
Vehicles would be neat, especially with the idea of larger maps.
I usually browse posts by title only on feedback. I go to general sometimes, but not often unless I need a more general opinion. This post wasnt originally supposed to be a discussion post. I didnt expect people to react this hard lol!
So unless they are in feedback I probably wont see. and it doesnt help that there is so many OP this OP that posts that I just cant keep up. I will tell you, if I see those ones, I dont even bother reading them
Generally I see them as the knee jerk posts as I gurantee most of them are made 5 min after a bad match, and when I see them everywhere, its like⌠I already know. I dont need to read this anymore XD
As for your posts specifically, link them to me and ill check them out in the next 30 min or so. I prob just missed them, or the title didnt catch me right away so I skimmed past.
Id love to read them though.
