People make irrational decisions all the time, usually out of emotional distress or time constraints. That doesn’t make them insane. Insanity is an inability to recognize what is real or not.
Exactly, what benefits someone is subjective. Whether or not there is reason is exactly what I said determines what is rational.
Benefit is objective, whether they can reason it or not is subjective to the situation ie. your examples.
Benefit is also on a scale. Some are objectively better solutions but a factor such as time or knowledge defines your options.
It benefits both you and I to eat what’s objectively healthy & continue breathing.
What’s subjective and indeterminate is the concept of happiness and people have their own right to form their conception of happiness. This is a subjective exercise and you go through your life testing these conceptions.
I could wake up tomorrow and decide we all live in the matrix, but that is not necessarily going to affect my outcome. It becomes a moral issue if I began inflicting harm with no regard for anything or myself because I could no longer live happily under this notion. Morality is unique to us and lies somewhere between reasoning and harmful action. Its existed ever since the first caveman reasoned he could beat the 2nd guy to death with a rock for food and felt regret.
So the basis of your understanding of morality rests on your ability to know the thoughts of others?
Other animals, mostly mammals that I’m aware of, behave in ways that could be considered moral codes.
So is it about the “harm” or “intent to harm?”
Do animals have self-awareness? Can they comprehend consequence? Do they reason? And at what level of intelligence? We don’t have specifics for that either. Because that’s its own question then you have to go into the validity of mirror tests, puzzles, learned behaviors and so forth. We don’t have a measurement for thoughts or choices but know they exist. We can apply human decision making, thought processes, and emotions to other humans. We can’t do the same for say, a dolphin because their brains and the way they experience emotions could be completely alien to ours and the dolphin cannot speak for itself. It would not be ethical for us to slaughter dolphins for the sake of killing, but if a dolphin slaughters another dolphin we can’t apply human morality to the dolphin. We don’t know if its harming for the sake of harm. We can deduce if a serial killer is harming for the sake of harm or the serial killer can communicate that even though we know their brains aren’t the standard rational human experience. From there you can go into the whole “are serial killers, pedos, etc born or made” argument - or you can just analyze the act itself and the outcomes and whether the end results are just. You don’t see serial killers justifying their behavior because it’s an irrational base urge that leads to an immoral action, sometimes because they can get away with it - other times because they don’t care. Pleasure does not = survival, but they overall have a different subjective happiness that makes them engage in a non-beneficial behavior that is innately harmful to others.
Intentional harm.
As a byproduct of of the ability to make decisions, rationalize outcomes, and experience negative emotions, yes.
We don’t “know” in the absolute sense. We as individuals know our own thoughts and attribute that to others, but that’s not a proof that others have thoughts. Likewise, we feel like we make choices, but it’s a physical process. We feel like we make choices, and then we attribute that to others. We can’t “know” that others make choices.
By what standard. Does that apply to bacteria? Aphids? Ants? Snakes? Mice? Cats? Dogs?
That’s the point in arbitrarily equating survival to beneficial. We are all going to die, and if killing allows the serial killer to experience their version of a fulfilling life, then then who is to say they ought not kill. That’s why I said morality must be subjective. What ought or ought not be done hinges on the goals of the individual.
“The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one” - Spock💚
So you’ll be coming down to the hospital, we could use all those healthy organs to fix a whole bunch of people?
We don’t “know” in the absolute sense.
Now you’re just arguing semantics. In that case we don’t “know” anything, maybe blind people are percieving the world the world correctly if you just disregard what constitutes healthy functional eyes.Thinking and feeling exist within the human brain.
Yes. Senseless killing is immoral as it is without reason. If I am harming the above intentionally for the sake of harm, because I enjoy harming that is an immoral action with an immoral outcome. The means is harm on a whim & at the expense of another, the outcome is harm. Psychopaths typically start with torturing small animals that react to pain.
A healthy brain doesn’t make the connection that torturing animals, killing people, etc = fufilling life.
Because pleasure is not innately beneficial. Survival is.
“We all die ill just kill myself” is a value statement that doesn’t add up unless that person is already dead.
A life is each persons ultimate value as they look out for themselves, you could reject this but it would involve killing yourself outside of some extreme scenario. A healthy brain doesn’t self-harm without cause. (There are irrational actions for moral outcomes IE self-sacrifice.)
It does not make sense to arbitrarily initiate murder on others, this is an irrational unbeneficial action. But it does make sense to defend yourself from others trying to kill you, even if it means you must go to the extent of murdering that person to stop them.
Arbitrarily intiating murder is what = evil.
You’re more caught up on happiness being subjective than the morality of the action.
I don’t want to interject anymore than I already have but I‘ve got to say you have both made excellent points in this discussion.
Pred queues are so long that you might as well debate human nature on the PH:G forum xd
Human Nature = Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat.
I’m still not in a game…
Indeed he was able to speak for himself. James Cameron couldn’t execute someone begging for their life like that even if it was to bring back 2 others who were what could be considered dead already.
I think I’ve seen this article, its really outrageous, super far left, Washington Post level, clutching at straws bullshit…
If I remember correctly it says something about “…(it represents black women) as the breeder queen”
Maybe I’m just not racially motivated at all - but I cannot see any link between an alien bug queen being congruent to anything except actual colonial insect species on earth like ants and bees?
If the authors only link between the alien queen and black women is the the fact the alien queen has black chitinous armor plates then they are totally racist for joining those dots together and drawing such an outrageous and out there conclusion.
As for the Predator, are we saying that any depiction of a fictional tribal culture which is loosely based off a number of cultures and human traditions is racist now?
I mean is it racist towards green aliens or what?
What about black panther? Is that depiction of an African nation not racist because it depicts its parody of African zulu culture as being technologically advanced and therefore pleasing towards those of african heritage?
Oh wait so does the Predator?
OP proves that some predator fans are in fact ignorant racist douchebags that think their precious franchise exists outside of society somehow.
No dude. I’m pretty sure people like you are why the Joker lost his shit all the way by the end of it.
We don’t institutionalize our political opponents and claim to be a free country. You’re a craven fascist if you’re such a baby bitch that you can’t acknowledge that there’s a race problem even in some of the best things America has ever made.
No, no, no. I co-opted this thread to discuss philosophy. 🤔
So, the trolly experiment… do you push the button?
Im pretty fucking sure from the name and the militant far left “everything is racist/sexist” attitude, that this individual is banned member
OnlyHereForThePreds1
And
PredRulesFTDrools
A troll who has spread so much hate speech and division in these forums regarding race and gender and I really don’t want to see another thread go to a weird place while they spread their agenda of hatred.
A person who hates this forum and the game so much that they cant stay away.
That’s BS I’m done with politics, it took over my sports, now it’s trying to go into games?!?!?, that’s where I draw the line, identity politics, is going overboard, and it’s pissing me off, I continue playing pred, because it’s one of the few games that doesn’t show identity politics l, I don’t play games or watch sports to be reminded of that, I watch and play to get away from that
