For politics at the core, i agree. Social change is something different. This is where we’re at now and it looks very challenging to put every group out there’s whos looking for special treatment into a whole.
So sick of the censorship
I can agree with that. It’s definitely a time of great conflict and personally I don’t think these issues are things you can be centered on, which is why we see some people going further left, and others going further right. Those in the middle don’t really care one way or the other and just like the memes, which I can respect.
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I’m in the middle, not just a progressive but a moderate too. There’s plenty of room for difference of democratic opinion, what you want isn’t democratic.
You aren’t part of the middle though man, you’re one extreme. You don’t speak for average people, you live in an echo chamber.
The people convinced by your rhetoric aren’t the middle either, their mostly just people holding on to a bygone era, kinda like you.
No, I certainly don’t want democracy. Democracy is what causes the massive gap between classes we have. Democracy is why I gotta be extra careful at work so I don’t have to drop 5k on one visit. If your nation had Democracy you’d understand how backwards it is, especially considering you’re the type to support corporations doing whatever they want.
Like seriously, imagine if Healthcare was up to a vote in your country and suddenly lobbies started popping up driving the value of your vote lower and lower and despite the majority of people wanting it, well too bad you got out voted by money itself. That’s democracy, don’t pretend you have it where you are and be thankful you don’t.
I’m not speaking for anyone but myself and reflecting on the world around me and it couldn’t be further from an echo chamber. I think that’s projection on your part.
You haven’t explained your comments on either culture being fluid or why these progressive politics are being rolled back. What do you think about Israel’s success as a nation? Same culture for almost a century now, same conservative zionist values, same ethnostate. They have everyone’s support. According to you this isn’t what their people actually want though…? How can that be? And why aren’t they running for protection from their super far right authoritarian hellscape?
Canada is a democracy, so I do have it where I am. Never expressed any view about corporations doing whatever they want, I fully expect them to follow the law. Using their free speech rights to support causes they want too, you may define that as an agenda but I don’t.
Culture, the customs, arts and social institutions of a group of people. These things all change over time, Christmas trees are pagan symbols but Christian’s put them up, not realizing they’re a form of idolatry. Culture is fluid in both peoples definitions and over time.
We’ve covered my social media habits and I consume media from both sides of the political spectrum, from more than one country. While I could listen in on others echo chambers, actually being in one is unlikely. So if someone’s projecting it doesn’t seem like it’s me.
You seem to think anecdotes about individual progressive roll backs reflect the greater whole, they don’t. Actually all your arguments seem to be about anecdotal situations and not about a political side in itself.
Your welcome to draw as many swastikas as you’d like, I don’t mind you outing yourself one bit. You’re like a poster child for who the right stands with and your authoritarian positions can only hurt them. You talk, other act and those others face the consequences. So keep goading them into whatever you think is best.
Canada is barely a democracy, again, be thankful for that and the socialist policies you’re allowed. If it were up to a vote you’d look like us.
Yes, you did, when you said [clip related] is fine cuz its their company and they can do what they want. Even if it’s a joke on my part, your argument was the same.
That’s exactly where I’m getting… what we know about things like even fucking Christmas are lies. People weren’t always stampeding into stores to get early presents sale. The original message is lost because corporations commercialized a religion and now we teach each other that Christmas is about commerce and its true purpose is lost.
Well I’m not gonna put together a long list for you to look at the evidence that these rollbacks are not isolated by a longshot, I figured a few examples would get the cogs turning but I’m definitely not gonna do your research for you.
You literally just said people like me shouldn’t be given tolerance thus outing yourself as a hyprocrite. You’re just like me, only on the other side playing center when you know you’re on the left. Like I said, you guys gotta lie to make your points.
Canada has a much more stable democracy than America. Not sure why you’d think otherwise.
If a company decides to exclude something from its game it isn’t breaking the law. If they decide that they don’t want swastikas in their game, that’s their right as it’s their property.
Christmas doesn’t have some true purpose, if Jesus existed at all, he was born in June according to the bible and oldest church records. Christmas was the conversion of one cultures holiday into another cultures holiday, a fluid process of change.
I said you don’t deserve the tolerance shown to you. Learn to read, I can think you beneath pity and still pity you.
Functioning in this case = more symbolic than actual democracy and regulated to the point where it can function. Again, if you had what we do you’d be kissing healthcare goodbye… some things don’t need a vote and Canada indeed knows this which is why the most you vote for is different planning.
I’m not claiming anyone’s breaking the law by removing a swastika.
Lol yes, Christmas indeed has a true purpose even if you don’t want to acknowledge the importance of religion to the vasy majority of people on the planet. All religious holidays have purpose, many of which drove different cultures to prosperity… some not so much.
Nothing I said was taken out of context here. We’re essentially saying the same thing. We should stop at basic tolerance, doesn’t mean we don’t tolerate. Glad we can agree on that! Actually scratch that, you’re saying I don’t even deserve tolerance… but youre a moderate, right? Lmao
That’s the thing. The meme goal is some kind of kumbaya melting pot culturally ideological world peace. What you basically get though is a bunch of censorship of anything against the new status quo & weird shit being pushed on kids.
Look at the people that go CHRISTIANITY BAD
and then in the same vein go MUSLIMS GOOD
It’s all hypocrisy. Leftists don’t see cultures all they see is marginalized groups, just look at the woke lgbtblm whatever tf flag they slap more checkboxes on every year.
Also asians are being removed as a protected “POC” group lol theyre officially shifted on the totem pole to be right below white people.
Even the groups within their culture with their own values (drag queens vs trannies. feminists vs trannies, everyone vs bisexuals) are infighting to validate their own existence and they’re supposed to be the most woke tolerant of us all.
Progressivism infects an existing system then cannibalizes itself in the oppression olympics just like communism. Needs a state of constant revolution & fighting the larger evil oppressor as a small underdog while never actually winning to justify why it isn’t working. That way they can keep having some outside force to blame for failure. Critical race theory works the same way, this is all the same crap. But a key requirement for the left is having 0 pattern recognition and they don’t think the slippery slope exists.
It’s all the same “We cannot tolerate intolerance”
“People should change their views if they want to speak their mind”
and “freedom of speech doesnt mean freedom from consequences” rhetoric
Everytime without fail, Marxist authoritarian talking points preached from an ivory tower of “equality” where none of them have to do anything but thought police social media and parasite all forms of entertainment while somewhere in the world a gay just got thrown off a rooftop.
Once WW3 kicks off maybe people will stop inventing genders for the sake of looking like the hero of their own story. It’s great that leftists cannot enjoy anything originating prior to around 1965 without some degree of cognitive bias. Everyone before this current era was ‘problematic’ or ‘toxic’ in some way.
Try as they may to defeat Lovecraft, the eldrich god of racism.
Anything written on a scrap of paper isn’t worth nothing if it can be ignored on a whim. The constitution we have now isn’t ineffective because of what it says or doesn’t say. Its ineffective because its often ignored for political convenience.
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What should leftists see as culture? Where do these marginalized groups belong then?
I do think that group identity has gone too far. There’s are more other factors that unite people and one striking difference should not be a basis for the group. Still, these people were discriminated against and bullied before this. It went to far because some of them have started discriminating and became bullies.
Maybe it’s ignored because it’s not that relevant to the current social climate. Wasnt it similar when social movements for women’s rights and rights of African Americans took place?
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Leftist culture is an informal, cancel-culture, electronic beehive. The entire “privilege ladder” is built on leverage (whether it be against existing systems or competitive victimization). They’re high on power as of late and go through severe withdrawals whenever there is any successful backlash.
This impersonal, look-at-me, superficial, follow-the-leader, transient cult business isn’t a culture all. What we’re witnessing now (and the “education” they’re parroting & think they’re entitled to bash you over the head with) is classism being disguised as racism and sexism. It is identical to 1913 Russia, but instead of poverty, the socialists’ subversion is in the form of leveraging racial and gender inequities, instead of class.
You know you’re over the target becasue you are not allowed to talk about class. It all has to be through the lens of race/gender/other grievances.
The subversion of occupy wallstreet bought them all a decade of infighting and diversion.
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I can agree that they are using these situations for their gain, but those race, gender and class inequalities do exist. Should nothing be done about it?
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You’re right.
We need total equality in society
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See above.
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Way of the world. But now there’s this odd expectation that people can’t be told no even if they’re infringing on someone else they’re officially a “protected group.” So the brakes that society would normally apply are gone & people are seeking protected group status thus we have 900 genders.
It’s like as kids, their parents just want to be friends. Teachers who can’t be strict because the parents will abuse them. Their judgement comes from an arbitrary mob online. Who also tell them shame is wrong, always, unless it involves non-adherance to the newly established dogma. They cannot create their own selves by testing themselves against the world honestly, it’s all safe spaces.
Children learn by pushing boundaries and seeing how people react. When they don’t have healthy feedback, they grow with poor boundaries. Now we’re at a stage of fake as hell yaas queen entropy shit all around under the threat of social media mobs “You better list pronouns on your profile, your food service better participate in this parade or we’ll make an example out of you” mass confirmity nonsense.
It could be interesting. I think we’d appreciate each other more
Right now it is chaos, but it hasn’t been that for for long. Maybe things will normalize
Yes Fin, it was all invented with the Internet, the left of the political spectrum, specifically the left of the democratic political spectrum just came into being with electronics. Your real problem is you can’t separate the two in your mind, to you it’s all one left.
The thing is, if your an authoritarian then you don’t actually exist on the democratic spectrum, you’re on the extreme right of the political spectrum. I sit comfortably in the democratic political spectrum, there simply isn’t a better system available.
Progressive ideals are what American was founded on. The left of the democratic spectrum has always been there.
America was founded on individual property rights and liberties, this progressivism bs is very very new. Don’t forget we had slaves yo lmao
Also, authoritarianism goes either way. Like how in the UK you can face criminal charges for an insensitive or racist remark online.