Solution, reasons of conflicting opinions, overseen and not yet mentioned - is CrossPlay the problem?

#1

Hey everyone,

some days ago i was involved in some discussions here about balancing.
Someone might remember.
It was not just frustrating, it was also even astonishing how agressiv everyones point of view was defended and i even faced insults and yeah, also some of my replys were not that kind of “respectful” so to say, but at least I didn’t try to insult anyone.

Let me explain: it was just so irritating that opinions and experiences are so damn far apart, that everybody seem to troll the other because they thought this is a big troll fest

I was stunned, i mean, i saw what i saw and i experienced what i experienced - obvisously same for you guys just other way around.

3 days ago i have seen something which finaly explained the whole thing to me, why we cant just have normal discussions about balancing, instead we’ve fights about who’s right.

I’m on PS4, for chilling out i watch Twitch from time to time.
Now you guess it, i watched someone playing and streamed this game on PC. I did before, funny thing was, i picked somebody before who made 100% same experiences like me, promoted in his stream like “OMG the pred, especialy the berserk is massiv OP!”
me: THANK YOU!!

But now the guy on PC! His Name is OroBoro, he seems fine, many hundreds of viewers.
He called his stream “Predator: BULLLY grounds” … ok? lets see …

By the way he is playing, or out of the experience of a PC gamer against PS4 players, the Predator is UNBELIEVABLE weak!
What a real WTF moment this was … can you imagine?

OroBoro called it “Bully grounds” because he wanted it to be seen how weak the pred is on PC and what a joke it is right now

So, people on PC proof the Predator complainers are absolutely right! But PS4 streamers proof that the FT complainers are 100% right either!

i mean, man … w-h-a-t a m-e-s-s!!

Here are some intersting facts / details:
In the PC stream, i watched it for 2 hours, except once always a PS4 player was the predator!
Against a 4Man FT on PC which are known and good friends to each other.
Yes, it was that terrible, the challenge for them was just kill and hunt down the pred as fast as they can, (bully grounds, aha) i guess no match lasts longer as 4-6 minutes - not interested in completing missions as long the pred shows up or been heard within the first minutes

Another fail: they, basicly it seems well known tactic for PC players already, lowered the graphic settings and deactivated rendering shadows in their settings!
Like this they can spot the Pred even more easier!
Plus without the resources for rendering shadows they had obviously higher FPS!
it went fantastically smooth! Even when it looked a bit PS3’ish

Also very interesting, realy just once they had a PC pred player! At least in these 2 hrs i was in.
Yes, the onliest match they “win” or end by accomplish the mission and escape!
The Pred had a very hard time but also the FT tbh! It seems “almost” balanced - the Pred was a berserk but dont forget FT was a well-practiced team and got him almost, but yeah … it talkes for itself

Conclusion: convince yourselves and watch some streams of players on different plattforms

CROSSPLAY IS the Problem, not the single details - i mean, some tweaks are surely needed, but independent by each plattform!
Is it possible to connect these plattforms after individual balancing? i honestly dont know but these dramatically opposite views obviously only result from the fact that this should be one of the last games were crossplay is possible atm!

Sad but true

But in fact, you can stop every discussion here about all the details: Berserk and Combistick, reinforcemnet or not, parry yes or no, stamina … waste of time

I also want to apologize if I was a bit harsh during my last discussions here - I hope you understand me now!
Everyone is right somehow, but it can never be reduced to a common denominator on different platforms.

Since I don’t play the game anymore at the moment, but I saw the news about the new patch and I see the arguments here again, I hope to give a well-intentioned and final insight and that the focus is directed to another, if not THE actual problem.

PEACE!

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#2

Holy shit. Some PC players did that? … sounds like PUBG to me. Most players lowered their setting and it gave them a lot of edges. I think we gotta have to balanced up the graphic. Just like Warthunder. Before low settings player have edge because it removes some terrain trees etc and highlighted the enemy tanks. But now even you lowered it down it won’t remove trees or foliages and still have some shadows to cover the tank. They gotta need to fix bugs and graphics issues somehow. For now they focusses on gameplay.

#3

PC also brought the plasma caster nerf. On ps4 it was a skill shot but on PC it’s just a shot.

#4

here’s the video of the stream i saw, PC player with lower GPU settings - i guess it was this:

This is from the other guy who experienced the opposite, not quite shure if this is his his stream i saw, but yeah see yourself

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#5

I didn’t realize that on PC Fireteams didn’t have access to up to 48 full heals with medkits and gear head alone and the Predator had more than three medkits and boars for days pre patch. Sorry but this whole thing is just a red harring. I killed and have continued to kill more than a few PC FT players while on PS4. Even ones that, individually, were superior to me. And with the reinforcement timer being so fast I had to kill them twice as well. Not a cross play issue. A numbers issue.

#6

yes, the game was dead on arrival because it was epic exclusive, without steam games like this die in 1 month tops.
And queue times are almost 2 minutes for a fireteam member, predator 10 minutes

#7

That’s a blanket statement. I realize most PC players use mouse and keyboard, but there are some of us out there that prefer controllers, myself included.

To say that it’s the PC players that caused the nerf to the charged plasma cannon is a stretch. You can do those tactics on a controller too, I’ve seen guys like Cartoonz do it using a controller on his channel.

#8

tbh i knew, or i was afraid that this just HAS to become a mess

I love the Predator Original and so played all Predator Games in the past.
There was this AVP Title back in early 2000 or late 90’s? - i guess it was the very first Predator game which had a multiplayer part.

It was a blast! - but just for the Predator …
It was - ofcourse - a totaly Pred OP nightmare, especialy i remember the Disc! Boy, that thing killed the whole 4 men marinsquad in seconds - btw the mechanic was cooler; The pred doesnt steer it remotely, no, you throw it and it t bounced from every obstacle in same angle as it hits it - imagine some kind of multiKill Billard Skillshot ability, after that it rushed back to you right in your hands like a boomerang - great fun but so annoying for your Marine Squad opponents - ofcourse
I rarely used the disc because i knew ppl will just rage quit and leave the game
And so it was, if i remember correctly, MP was dead in just a few weeks

Since back then it was clear, balancing a Predator Multiplayer game just lead into endless development-hell
There was another Pred game in 2006 or '07, '08? dunno exactly - absolutely same situation like back then and today!

As i heard of this Pred game is about on its way, i was like: O.o
Ok, i’m in but i’m sure what’s about to come …

yeah, so here we are, against my experience, it let me get a little more involved in this discussion than I would like
but i had my 3-5 days fun out of it … bit expensive though, but ok, maybe something exciting is happen with this game in the future …

stay healthy and stealthed