The core problem of this game is reinforcements

#1

This is where I see most Predator players struggle, even the good ones. Before the patch it seemed like most people didn’t have trouble picking one FT member off and evening the odds. A lot of the times people would kill 3 and if they could manage that then the last kill is definitely earned. But then 10 seconds later the fireteam is back up with all their gear, ammo etc while the predator has most likely used up the medkits. I think by removing this then at least even a bad predator could get a minimum of 1 kill and wouldn’t be put off by playing and a good fireteam can still win.

Another problem with it is it just removes all strategy and fear. Why bother playing smart when you can just get revived and try again? With no revives I feel like it could give the predator more of a fighting chance and force the fireteam to use strategy and teamwork to stay alive.

Most people just like to hunt down the predator but that’s not how it should be played. Your primary objective as the fireteam should be to complete the objective and escape. But there’s very little incentive to do that seeing as you can just hunt down the predator get more rewards and if he kills some of you then you can just try again. It’s not fun to be on either side of this.

But if for whatever reason it has to absolutely stay then it should be changed to be more like Tommy Jarvis on F13 where one person can come back as a character from the movies like Dutch.

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#2

if no revive FT, the game will be too easy for predator

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#3

That depends on how they go about it. If they keep the changes like not being able to instant down with the plasma caster, combistick not being such a dominant weapon etc while not being able to revive, then I see no problem with it. All you have to do is parry and most of his health is gone afterwards.

#4

Revive is fine. it extends the game.

Maybe we should enjoy the hunt instead of trying to kill everyone immediately

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#5

Well that’s the thing, being able to revive forces the predator to rush. You have to rush to get that last kill before all the FT are revived. Without it and the fireteam still being strong enough to take down the predator, skill and strategy would be rewarded even more so than it is now.

#6

Who will hunt for whom?

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#7

Not to mention un-fun for those FT members who get downed early, as they become bystanders.

Overall I think revive is fine as is.

#8

That’s why the fireteam should stay strong if there is no revives. And if they die well then…that’s on them. Just because it might upset someone doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be a thing. It’s on most asymmetrical games. People get salty about it on F13 yet the Devs never removed it.

#9

Some time if you fall into noob FT, i let one players revive the team for a longer game… Keep in mind you just wait 15 minute for that game, enjoy it! and dont care if one of them escape…You claim many skull, you alive, considere you make a good hunt and have fun for both.

#10

It’s not a problem at all. That’s ridiculous IMO. I’ve seen FT get reinforcements and still get wrecked plenty of times. It’s by no means an auto win. If it is, well, then the Predator is just doing it wrong.

Removing something like that would make it too easy for a good/decent Predator. There needs to be some kind of pressure.

#11

So what you’re saying is the predator needs pressure but the fireteam does not? I don’t think you read everything I put. I said if it goes then the fireteam should still be strong whether that be by making some other changes, or reverting them back. And if it won’t go then at the very least rework it to make it take a little longer, only bring one fireteam member back and bring them back as a slightly more powerful character like Dutch. And just because you’ve seen a predator kill noobs after they’ve reinforced doesn’t make it any less powerful because that fireteam must suck at the game.

#12

I will say that once that call is made for back up, on the radio, anyone who dies should not come back. If you called for two team members, you get two guys, if #3 died in the process, too bad.

Also when Zeus says the mission is ready, think Predator should be able to hear it. Not see it, but know they have access to it and he needs haul ass if he doesn’t want more back up fucking his hunt up.

So thats only gripe I have about fireteam revive, is its speed/cost.

Its pretty quick still for bring back all three team members at any point before the revive. Am I saying MAKE IT TAKE HALF THE MATCH - no.

But here’s an idea, rough but you’ll get my point , a little bit tactic I think.

Two reinforcement options, Two reinforcements,

Call in for help and one person on a quicker timer, or get back two or three but the time is more but if you called already and want to bring back others, there’s a time penalty added

For example only:

1 person = 1 min

2 people = 2 mins 15seconds

3 people = 3 mins 45 seconds

1 one person was already brought back - add a 45 second penalty to 2 & 3 person revive

2 people already revive = 1 min penalty

3 already revive = 1:15 min penalty

Mind you, you’re being hunted and harassed this whole time. And only two chances. Burning time for a full team again, risking 1v1s or 1v2

Toss in an AI wave or two?

Edit:

Also bigger points/currency reward/end game to 1v1 or 1v2 players who clutch those situations out, regardless of survival. 3v1 not so much

#13

Hero

#14

That’s a compromise I can accept. But it’s something we’ll have to see in action. But I do really like the idea of coming back as Dutch.

#15

Each side has a mechanic to allow themselves to basically revive if they were killed
Fireteam has reinforcements predator has second wind (which was just majorly buffed)

Que will get even longer if new players have the experience of coming in as the fireteam and being the first to die 2 min into the game and have no recourse.

#16

Skin wise, come back as an iconic character sure or other major people, That’d be cool as hell.

Any special buffs or abilities that people expect “hero” characters to have, lets hold off on that then.

Unless its Dutch can throw his knife and pin someone to say “Stick around” then I’m willing to let that slide.

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#17

Well then new players need to realise what kind of game they’re getting into. And if no revives means the removal of second win then why not. It means you’ll have to strategize more as both sides.

#18

Even if it’s just a skin I can accept it. Makes more sense than the same guy that got his spine ripped out coming back lol.

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#19

While I agree, Predator second winded, turns into a light brite that can’t climb or leap, cloak.

Faster yes but that glow is like red to bulls to the fire team. They know it cant fight and has to run so they chase it. If they took off the Fireteam view, I know they just added blinding, but the glos makes you stick out too much. Maybe the initial glow then it goes away or add cloak.

I don’t think reinforcement should go away, just a riskier move.

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#20

I can see it now, entire fireteams throwing their lives and match away so they can try to be the iconic fireteam 😂