What feral Pred looked like before CGI

[Eshtion]

@Finessology

We already discussed this.

we haven’t

@Finessology

You can attempt to imitate physics through the use of contact points and conservative camera work, its still visibly off.

Not with the right effort

@Finessology

But thats not what happens, in reality the producer just goes “you’re already suspending your disbelief

this thing is bad because of poor skill and laziness

Seriously by this logic why don’t we call cinema a failure due to Hollywood’s incompetence.

@Finessology

Props don’t have that problem because everyone’s not in the room trying to imagine an apple.

What about poorly made props?

Or poor directing?

Or poor choreography?

The actors can just magically fix everything?

@Finessology

ok so the millions in production is cheaping out here good to know

Halo was also “millions in production”

Hell halo failed to color one of their practical effects

Also it’s more than just money, cgi inherently requires them and effort, something commonly cut for a cheap cashgrab.

@Finessology

Not once did I reference the scorpion king lmao

So?I

You literally went “no your example of cgi isn’t good, look at my shitier version” and your example was outclassed and improved on drastically already.

@Finessology

There’s just endless examples of awful cgi due to the infinite capacity for human error

Git gud

@Finessology

whereas I can point to a horse in a western from the 60’s and it will always be a tangible object because it is - especially compared to cursed animated horses.

A. Ya practical effects will have a longer history of proper usage but that doesn’t dictate the quality of modern cgi so your point about 60’s westerns is pointless (though to clarify I’m just knocking the 60’s part)

B. Horses aren’t practical effects and don’t have the same issues as bears, aliens, lightsabers, ect. that make them comparable.

Your comparing real flesh to fake flesh when practical effects V.S CGI are fake flesh to fake flesh

[Eshtion]

You have name and picture of Tony yet you don’t bother to even act like him

Instead you have this wierd thing going

[Tony-Pope]

🚬 👀

[MaadieTheBaadie]

I just want to interject something…as someone who is a huge, huge horror fan, and is involved in several huge horror communities, the general consensus is practical effects will always, always always outshine cgi. The 70s and 80s were the heyday of horror and gore, from bloody mutilations to creature transformations. Famous names like Tom Savini and Greg Nicotero made their livelihood working on these films, and they did it so, so good. People would get legit sick from how real these effects looked. But as we got into the 90s, with the advent of computer effects, a lot of these practical effects started to disappear, and nowadays they’re almost nonexistent. And what’s worse, is you can TELL it’s cg, and shit cg to boot. And that’s the problem, its incredibly easy to fuck up cg effects (Prey did this, with the Pred face and pretty much all the fire scenes). Even movies with the biggest budgets, like LOTR, you can tell when something is off and it breaks the immersion if it was done cheaply. There IS good cgi, don’t get me wrong, and usually the best use of cg is in cooperation with practical effects (Evil Dead remake did this, only using cg to hide wires and other things while all the other effects were practical), but it’s almost a lost art to use real tools to create an effect, be it a creature or wounds/gore. It’s just easier to sit at a computer and draw it all out. All in all, nothing will beat having an actual, real thing on camera.

Also, in terms of doing extreme movements in a suit and the fragility…tokusatsu. The art of Japanese special effects. Ultraman, Godzilla, Gamera, etc. For decades, these rubber and latex suits that weighed over 100 pounds were used in some pretty rough and aggressive filmmaking (the late Showa films and especially in Final Wars there was a lot of physical combat) and they never suffered breakdowns or tears. So if the Japanese can make heavy ass suits out of crude material that never suffered during filming during the 1960s, there should be no excuse why a latex Predator bodysuit made in 2022 can’t do all that work and more and look fucking amazing.

[JelouGaming]

@MaadieTheBaadie

The 70s and 80s were the heyday of horror and gore, from bloody mutilations to creature transformations

yeah… that american werewolf in london transformation looks highly believable

[MaadieTheBaadie]

That one was specifically in my head. At the time it was actually really good, but some things admittedly don’t age too well. That transformation is still worlds better than most of the cgi shit you see today.

[Eshtion]

@MaadieTheBaadie

Even movies with the biggest budgets, like LOTR, you can tell when something is off and it breaks the immersion if it was done cheaply.

Ah yes I too remember when practical effects looked 100% real…

Wait a minute

[MaadieTheBaadie]

You can’t tell me Tom Savini, a combat photographer in Vietnam who saw legitimate cut up, shot up and blown apart bodies, did not have the most realistic effects in the late 70s and throughout the 80s.

[JelouGaming]

I was being sarcastic and no it doesn’t

In fact most gore in films look fake as fuck, starting with the basics, blood. Anyone who’s seen someone get shot knows how they drop like wasps when you hit them with a raid jet. Real blood is far from bright red and turns brown almost black rather quickly.

I didn’t go to Nam… I lived in a city wide hood for 35 years

[JelouGaming]

Imagine a transformers movie with “practical effects”

GTFOH with that shit “practical effects always look better” … no, it doesn’t… and that’s the main reason creators have moved away from it

Half the sets in nearly 80% of movies today are digital imaging and you don’t even notice

[JelouGaming]

speaking of CGI

[Eshtion]

No it’s good, but if something being slightly off is a mark of bad then everything is shit.

Media is off of reality and always will be

[Eshtion]

@JelouGaming

Half the sets in nearly 80% of movies today are digital imaging and you don’t even notice

But if you can’t notice it’s cgi it’s not cgi :p

[Finessology]

@MaadieTheBaadie

So if the Japanese can make heavy ass suits out of crude material that never suffered during filming during the 1960s, there should be no excuse why a latex Predator bodysuit made in 2022 can’t do all that work and more and look fucking amazing.

I’m at work but

/EndThread

inb4 another tangent about cgi being used to blend a scene or a cgi crowd being compared to a godforsaken cgi animal/person and cgi gore