2-3 hit? Uhhh no? Lol
why knife hurt so bad?
1.please list āallā predator advantages
2. 10 is definitely a low number when you consider how many stabs can be done after a parry, and Iām also assuming this was with slashes not the underhand stab attack that does double the damage.
3. Risk reward? In close range? The knife is all reward you cancel his melee while dishing out tons of damage
Iām not saying Pred needs any buff what so ever but knife damage should go way down cause at the moment I kill predators 1v1 with the knife wayyyy too often.
mobility- pred can easily outrun the ft using the environment and by leaping.
infinite ranged damage- regardless of how weak you think the pc is, itās an infinite source of dmg that the ft canāt counter with infinite healing.
stronger melee- idc how anyone tries to spin it, and itās been confirmed in this thread; it takes 10 hits to down a pred, which is more than the pred needs to down the ft. how you choose to engage is up to you, but numbers donāt lie when it comes to the number of hits required to down one another.
as for your 1v1 wins; good for you, but it doesnāt mean anything because itās not a regular occurrence. congrats, you were able to outplay a pred- thatās what makes games fun and separates player skill. that being said, i can guarantee that you lose those 1v1ās every time if the pred uses the net gun. just because you were able to beat a pred in a 1v1 on a few occasions doesnāt mean the knife is too strong or that thereās no risk.
people putting themselves in a situation where theyāre getting knifed that badly, and losing a 1v1, deserve to die. plain and simple. itās a lack of skill because thereās no way the ft is forcing you into that situation. if you go down like that, itās 100% your fault.
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Iāll give you mobility. I guess? Cause also if your team is always mudded up he will spend lots of time losing you. But none the less yes Iāll give you mobility. Iāll definitely argue with the infinite ranged damage due to the fact that you can insta drop him from his tree if the whole team lands. I think the predators advantage, as in like objective advantage. Not something that would change so much with skill, is 1v1 and 1v1 only. Even 2 good players are too much for him. But the net can be cut out the air as it comes at you. Sooo still can kill him 1v1 vs net just harder. Keep in mind Iām not asking for a pred buff Iām just pointing out heās really not all that strong in the first place.
I should also mention Iām not some pred buff guy trust me I really donāt want him buffed hahah I like where heās at just knives need to be nerfed. If heās down and on your team , and you donāt pull your knife out you are doing it wrong. Which I feel is not how the game was intended to be played. Just my opinion though and I respect yours
thereās nothing preventing the pred from moving, though. shooting and repositioning is common sense. if you choose to stay stationary when youāre being shot at, thatās being greedy or just plain stupid.
i would LOVE to see a video of a ft member cutting down every single net shot at them in a 1v1 situation. and you know what? if they can, that shows theyāre a skilled player and absolutely deserve to win that fight. i donāt think anyone could argue that after seeing it. i sure as hell woulndāt.
with that very unlikely situation set aside, a good pred has every opportunity to dictate the terms of engagement if they play smart. letās put it this way: letās just say you have that 2v1 situation; as the pred, youāre telling me that youāre gonna go straight in and just start melee attacking with total disregard to everything else in your arsenal? and this just goes back to what the other guy said:
which he then tries to change and argue
^that is actually the biggest problem with this game, imo. players that use every other excuse other than the fact that maybe they just got outplayed. or maybe they just arenāt as good as they think they. or maybe things just didnāt go their way that game. like, are you really trying to tell me that preds being killed in 1v1 melee fights is an actual problem for balancing right now? and that ft members are cutting down nets, mid-air, after the net gun buffs, and then slaying preds on the regular? come on lol
look, i absolutely respect your opinion, along with everyone elseās, and i think i provide a thorough explanation when i happen to disagree with someone/something. i also donāt think iāve ever asked or wanted a buff for the ft, and the only nerfs iāve ever wanted the combi stick at launch. i havenāt asked for anything unreasonable and i havenāt been unreasonable with anything either, imo. that being said, the knife being able to kill the pred in 10 hits is absolutely not an issue lol but hey, we can agree to disagree on this onešš»āāļø
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Ok look with your long ass answers, clearly you dont give a fuck about anybody elseās input but your own. Iām a hypocrite or not good? How? Because I feel pred is too weak? Seriously Iām trying to keep this shit civil here but all youāre doing is trying to shut down and break apart what Iām saying. Like not even trying to hear me out, all youāre doing is saying no youre wrong youre a hypocrite and youāre probably a shitty pred.
Like wtf. If I was I donāt think Iād ever fucking team wipe.
Yet funny you said my opinion, well guess what everything youāre saying is just your opinion as well.
So if thatās all you wanna do wtf is the point then? Cause Iām not here trying to start shit or argue. But you keep talking like your all high and mighty, acting like a fucking know it all.
But I bet if I did it you, then youād bitch and moan and couldnāt handle it.
Ffs. Look I donāt get how you or anyone think melee is fine or damage in general. OH AND GUESS WHAT? EVEN WITH THE RANGE PERK, THE FULL CHARGE SPLASH DAMAGE only tickles the fucking ft.
I got my scout set for range and the splash damage doesnāt feel like it does enough.
You want people to bob and weave, keep moving around. I already do that. But if I down a ft member, then go to another angle guess what? By the time I leap or get on another branch, which let me tell ya tress tend to fkn suck for combat, they already picked up their buddy. Then they heal and everything restarts.
And given how quick and easy missions are, by the time All the health kits and syringes are done theyāre long gone.
Look I really dont want another book from you. And believe it or not, I am just trying to have a conversation here, unlike you which, just keeps trying to shut me down and call me a scrub and a hypocrite. Like wtf.
When I said you have to go above and beyond itās not irrelevant. I dont think you understand what Iām saying or you think Iām just full of shit or complaining just to complain.
Thatās not it. I just seriously dont think its balanced right now. Iām fine with the ft hitting hard. As long as I can hit hard as well.
Correct me if Iām wrong, but you want pred to play stealthily right? Me too. But as it right now theres only so much stealth you can do. We get spotted with cloak too easily, not to mention we click and have the footsteps of a mech. and dont do enough damage to stealth kill a person. I get what you say about shooting then moving. I do. But if you do that then by the time you get another angle whoever you hit is fully healed.
The only way to actually make the game that way would be to extend the match length, and give pred a few more traps. Unless they increase cannon charged splash damage and melee damage.
Personally I would like a bigger map and for the ft to have an actual mission, not this baby mission they have right now. Where we could watch ft for like 5, 10 minutes just stalking, or go set up a perfect ambush.
Right now I really dont feel thatās an option.
Either way your move. You can keep tryna shut and tear down what I say or talk it out. Keep in mind though. Iām not just bitching for the sake of bitching, or cause I suck. Honestly if I sucked I dont think Iād do as well as I do as often as I do. Iām pretty good/ decent. I just sincerely think and feel things arent balanced. Hell Iām not even asking for bullet damage to be decreased, I just want knife damage down.
Do you not run fearless as well? It also depends on if the FT member is good at healing while being attacked, if you are using Fearless and the FT member isnt healing, itās a 2-3 hit kill. Exceptions would be supports or an assault with OWLF Training and Thick Skin.
in case you hadnāt notice, my ābooksā are mostly your quotes lol my longest reply is no longer than any of yours. i have no problem discussing things in civil manner, but youāre the one who was accusing me of things i never said, trying to twist my words- which i donāt appreciate lol
iām not disagreeing with everything you say, but i donāt think iāve been unreasonable in anything that iāve said so far, and i also i think itās fair to say that iāve given good reasons to my pov. iāve also said multiple times that, yes, this game isnāt perfectly balanced, but itās not in such a state where itās blatantly one-sided for for anyone. my main point was that i certainly donāt see the ft knifing the pred down on a regular basis and it doesnāt seem to be a major issue among the community. if you come across it that often, then weāll just have to agree to disagree on the topic.
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Well alright agree to disagree, well Iām glad this ended peacefully. Oh and btw I wasnt really trying to twist your words or anything, itās just what Iāve read it looks like you just want pred to weaker or nerfed. If thatās not the case then thatās my bad.
Anyway looks like the game isnāt working atm?
itās ok c: and yes, hopefully theyāre planning a hotfix or something to justify it.
So you are fine with the fact that the predator absolutely NEEDS to bring the net gun in order to fight 1v1 melee combat? Does that not seem to limit the options of the game?
those are 8 inch plus knives. I mean your com-bi stick does how much, insta down on most targets.
Hey I love the net gun, and still would like knife and parry nerfed a bit, but 1v1 I donāt need a net. Itās easy to trip up even then best player in melee. My concern was more for groups. If 2 or 3 ppl get on you with a knife your health is gone.
But I toy with these knife lunatics. If thereās one person left, I use all my nets on them when they break out, boom, another net. Itās a bit of a troll but I feel I deserve it if I get them all down lol.
I need to test damage of other weps but I swear they all do about the same. Melee I mean. I just like the combi stick cause of how it feels, I like the swings. Idk it just feels good. But wrist blades do the job as well. I think itās that the stick has better tracking. Idk.
So Iām not trying to sound like a smart ass, but hear me out, itās possible to win 1v1 as the last human with just the knife. Iāve seen it, Iāve done it, and itās not rare. Maybe if it was already hurt really bad ok but you can melt him with the knife if he has no way of restraining you. Iām not sure why this is such a polarizing issue like I play FT pretty much entirely, and Iām saying we just butcher predators. I feel like anyone who wants to keep the knife damage is just not great with the weapon yet or possibly just hasnāt tried it out, to understand how nuts it is.
Insta down? Hmmm quick no lol
Hm. Cant say I really disagree. Thatās why I said I demand less ouch from the knife. But if they do keep it I just want more plasma caster damage. Not a whole lot, just enough to where I feel like Iām doing damage not just tickling them. Stronger splash damage I mean. I think direct damage is ok? Not sure. Let me be clear. Stronger splash charged damage. I feel charge damage isnāt really all that great.
But ya I find knife damage to be crazy atm.
Iād like more damage from the AOE cause at the moment itās a joke but the instant down caster seemed a bit much IMO because you could literally 2 shot people out of the game
the pred does not need the net gun, but going up someone who may actually be skilled with parrying, it doesnāt hurt to have. and again, nothing is absolutely forcing you to engage in a 1v1 melee fight with the ft. as the pred, youāre ultimately the one who dictates how that would start.
for myself, i know there are people who could most definitely take me out as the pred in a 1v1 because all i tend to do is just mash the melee button. with that in mind, iām not gonna even bother challenging a ft member to a 1v1 if i donāt have the net gun. i donāt think itās fair or balanced if iām able to win a melee fight by just mashing my melee, simply because iām the pred and iām āsupposed to be strongerā. if someone is better than me, then they deserve to win that fight.
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