But if I can’t 1 shot the survivors or have no cool down between 2 strikes to down them then how can I have fun as killer?
Dead by daylight update
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Play spirit ya scrub :p
Do I have to explain to you how a gun works?
If I see you in person, and I gave a gun, and i shoot at you, if I hit you or not, I’m going to have to reload once i run out of ammo.
But if start swinging at you, and land a hit, and you dont fight back, I can beat the ever living shit outa you without having to stop on every hit.
So theres killers that can get around it.
Ok, that’s cool I guess, but it should be that way for everyone.
You want to know an actual way to make it viable?
If the basic attack has an element effect.
Freeze, hit stun, poison, paralyze, bleed, insanity, fear, shock, freeze, corrosion, ect.
It makes no logical sense, how you’re fine with having an OCD attack after a basic attack, but not a perfectly fine hook mechanic, which fits the lore.
Like good lord man, you arent bringing up good arguements like you think you are, because If they were, I would agree with you.
Thing is, I keep stressing to you it’s also a lot about the situation.
Like some of the stuff you say can work depending on the scenario. The same thing applies to what I’ve been saying.
Like I’m sorry man, but jesus christ what you’re saying isnt as logical or objective as you think it is.
Unless the game has a stamina system, basic attacks dont have a cool down or hinder you so badly, and even then, you can at least do a few attacks before you have to catch your breath.
Like at this point it’s just stupid and annoying.
If it was only me, who had a problem with these things then I would be like. Hey ya that’s just me.
But countless people think DBD is shit.
And there’s a lot of people who hate that OCD attack after a swing.
It needs to be reworked, so it can be fun.
If it makes the killers too strong then give the survivors something to help them defend themselves, that isnt too strong and is fun for both.
And finesse has said it better than I have.
DBD is no where near as complicated as you think it is or make it sound to be. It’s a simple game with a boring premise.
Honestly for those who play survivor, the logic behind that is they like to troll because its extremely easy to do so there and it’s pretty much all you can do.
As for people who enjoy killer?
I can only assume they’re masochistic who want to replay being a serial killer with ocd, and asthma, who is easily spooked.
DBD is a bad game because the mechanics are god awful, and the design choices make no logical sense given the ingame scenarios, theres nothing fun or rewarding about victory on either side, it’s just bragging rights on one side that, hey look I’m good at trolling, on the other, hey look, I’m a masochistic.
There are games out there, which I can admit are good, but I just dont like them.
However, DBD is not one of them.
Anyway, DBD is shit, I hate it, and because of how boring it was I damn near rather have my gallbladder feel like was gonna explode again, then sit through DBD.
you can keep trying to sell DBD to me, but no argument can make something bad be good.
Seriously tho, people enjoy DBD?
I honestly dont give a shit.
Go for it. Keep playing it.
Notice I’ve said PHG needs to shut down but not once have I said DBD needs to shut down.
It’s bad. But it’s not needs to stop existing bad.
Honestly?
I’m more concerned with hoping they bring back tenchu Z. Or just the stealth genre back in general.
I’ve shot guns before
In real life. Video game are fiction. They don’t have to abide by real life and that’s what makes them beautiful.
Why can I survive a headset?
Why can I survive a heartshot?
Why can I regeneration wounds?
Why can I carry so much ammo without slowing down?
Why can I shoot my teamates and not kill them?
That’s the beauty of video games. They say fuck reality.
I don’t have an issue with the hook mechanic. I never said that. I said I had an issue with camping.
Also one actually compliments gameplay the other does not.
Viable? As in balance? Again the hit cooldown isn’t the balance issue.
Well that’s a bit conceded.
The game is simple. But it is more complex then your giving it credit for.
How are you gonna say its conceded when you’re literally telling me everything you say, you believe is objective and logical?
I am curious tho, if thats not a balance issue, then what is?
I said my point about interactivity was objective. Not every point like waiting for two minutes not being fun. Is that how it came across?
Gen times, certain overpowered loops, specific perks, overpowered items.
The way to fix the balance is to adjust the values of survivors, not the mechanics of killers.
How you’ve across is you thinking in every shape or form or scenario your points are right.
Sorry man, even the non interaction doesnt apply. Cause not everyone would have an issue with it like you. Also I dont remember but cant you break out by spamming whatever button it shows enough times?
But that’s what I’ve been trying to tell you.
Sure you have a problem with it.
I can accept it bothers you.
But if I’m playing survivor and I get hooked it’s not going to be game breaking for me.
It’s not a huge problem for me.
Its just part of the game.
It would be stupid in another game, but that’s the most important part. It depends on the game and scenario.
That’s how everyone is. Everyone believes they’re right until proven wrong. I’m not convinced by your arguments but the same goes across. There’s nothing wrong with that.
But there are a lot of people who do have an issue with it.
And while an objectively bad design can be fine if it’s why the game is loved, camping isn’t loved by a lot of people.
No. During the second hook you have to spam the interaction button to stay alive. It’s stupid.
It’s not game breaking, but it’s still poor design. I’m not saying it’s a major issue.
As far as the gens, it should be more fun, and interesting objectives.
This is another where we differ.
It should be having to collect items and solve puzzles.
Something to actually do, not just watch one button prompt.
It shouldn’t be something so easy.
Honestly the whole looping thing is stupid to begin with. Bring able to run circles around is fucking stupid.
Literally it’s just trolling.
It’s not something that’s skill based. Just run around like an asshole.
It’s the same as waiting by cars while sitting in one car in evil dead. Its literally just troll shit.
Purely outa curiosity, what perks and items?
Like I’m not gonna be able to argue these, but somce im talking about the game might as well know some stuff about it.
Uh no.
There is something wrong with that.
You cant treat your beliefs as facts for every scenario.
Like you’re ignoring variables.
Whether its scenarios, different taste or preferences, ect.
That’s something that’s been annoying this whole time.
Cause I’ve been mentioning that it all depends on the situation, you however just think you’re right everytime.
Just something annoying.
Il let the terminology slide even tho you’re using it wrong, btw I meant the origin of camping in gaming, not its original use.
Anyway, I love tower defense games, survival gabes where you have to defend your base, ect.
It’s my preferred approach.
So while you and many others who dont have patience dont like that. There are many of us who like taking the defensive approach.
So you’re automatically trying to label defending a body on the hook bad, like no it’s bad to you and those who wanna pout because they got caught.
Btw I don’t have a problem with spamming the button to stay alive. It gives you a chance to come back since most killers dont defend the body.
It’s a catch 22 tho. You will lose if you defend,
They can escape if you roam. So while it’s annoying for the killer, it kinda balances itself out.
Honestly I think to solve not being able to do anything, that anyone who dies should come back and a spirit or phantom or anything like that, and be able to spot, scare and do minor things to the other survivors.
It would make killing more rewarding and that way you can still play.
I’ll agree there. I think DBD is good but god damn is it flawed.
Please no
I fucking hate having to look
Ya That’s subjective but god damn looking for stuff sucks.
No it’s not, it’s the core gameplay. The goal is for the killer to stop the survivor from looping using their powers, game knowledge, and mind games.
There is interaction.
I’m not saying playing dbd takes skill. It’s more like cod zombies (bo3)
The game is more about game knowledge and using that knowledge in a match. Slide jumping, pathing, and Easter egg steps are all easy barring a few exceptions but it’s still fun to do.
DBD holds the same sentiment.
You do realize mind games are a big part of dbd alongside proper killer power usage right?
DS
Dead hard
Borrowed time
These are the main three though not the only strong ones
DS activates after being unhooked. For 60 seconds if your picked up by the killer again, you hit a skill check and get off his shoulders and stun him for about 5 seconds.
It’s as vullshit as it sounds. They’re actually reworking the perk, hence why I’m considering coming back.
Dead hard allows you to dodge
And it gives you exhaustion for 40 seconds which disables perks that require you to not be exhausted.
Which doesn’t restore while running
Ya this perk, a full fourth of your build, is really strong to the point of over use.
They’re reworking it so instead of dodging you just get the endurance status effect.
Then you have borrowed time which gives a survivor the endurance status effect when being unhooked within the terror radius.
I think this one is fine actually.
There was a fourth perk commonly used but not only is it commonly the first to go but I also forgot what it was :p
Lol I messed up on my first response.
The first two were supposed to be together but I pressed send cause my brain has been fried recently.
It really doesnt feel like mind games.
Literally just feels like you’re running saying
NAH NAH CANT CATCH ME, NAH NAH.
WOOOOOOOOO
It should be something skill based, not troll based.
It literally doesnt feel like mind games.
Mind games are more like footsies. Or canceling shit which leads to an opening so you can take out your opponent.
When you’re doing shit just to simply avoid the entire time is pretty much just trolling.
Then the issue is my perspective is flawed, which should be provable. I’m not saying I am absolutely 100% right but the best we can do is determine what is right from what we know and go from there.
The only time you really brought up a specific situation was to say it works here but not in dbd, which only cuts off a point of comparison.
Beyond that I don’t recall any calls of situation
You mind bringing those points up again?
Terminology is different to each game
I already said camping is not an offensive to defensive issue.
Camping kills all playstyles because it completely cuts off gameplay.
The meat and potatoes of the game is the interaction between the survivors and the killers. Camping disentivises that interaction killing the main purpose of the game. It’s more comparable to everyone in a cod server camping. There’s no interaction because no one is doing anything.
Besides even in the cod example, as an offensive player I can counter camping. Take flashbacks, take a shotgun, flash and push. If your not flashed then I have a one shot and peaked advantage to kill you.
Camping that doesn’t exists.
Hell siege is literally a massive offensive versus defensive game with attackers taking up lines of sight and the defenders pushing out (yes it’s backwards)
It adds nothing to the game. All it does is make your finger tired.
It’s like doing gens on hook.
This entirely relies on the survivors cooperation. Your far more likely to have Spirits help the survivors by hanging around the killer and giving callouts.
Seriously imagine some one stream sniping you. That’s what would happen. The killer would be fucked.
So this sounds like you haven’t actually experienced a mind games play yet.
So for a specific loop you have two L walls placed so that they’d form a square if pressed together, with windows on opposite sides of each right against the wall.
Say you have a survivor running on the outside of an L without the window, torwards the side with the window.
What you can do as killer is go backwards, literally backwards, so that your killer light shows behind the survivor, but heads torwards the window so they jump torwards you, netting you a hit.
Seen that no?
Not a specific point btw, im just saying every point I’ve mentioned works depending on the situation.
With the hook thing, it’s about fighting to stay alive.
Camping is in tdm, not in objective based game modes.
As far as them calling out the killer location,
This wasnt a perfect fleshed out idea.
Yeah that an entire possibility, but its just an idea to keep ppl in the game.
Youd have to give some incentive. Not sure what.
But I’ve mentioned something like this before, in here.
Basically come back as a guerilla and you can either shoot the pred or the ft.
Needs to be different in dbd but dont know exactly what it could be.
The whole light thing still sounds like trolling.
But can you answer wtf is up with that light?
Like that seems like such a fucking stupid thing.
Why did they add that?
Maybe so but games need to work under a variety of situations. Maybe you can excuse the odd flaw here or there but it still remains true.
And if you mean as a critique of dbd then either I agree or disagree and contend the idea.
Okay but the gens are about getting power to escape.
And we both agree on gens. It’s pointless Filler.
Why the fuck are you defending DBD and I’m attacking it.
Stop it. Your tactics confuse and frighten me sir.
Terms are different for every game. In cod camping is in tdm. Not dbd.
I’m not sure that’s nessacary. Like I said dying isn’t an issue. You get chased and hooked three times and die that’s fine.
It’s sitting for two minutes just to go to the main menu afterwards.
This does make it so you go into the game but it’s for a pretty small pay off.
No idea
All I know is that it ended up helping killers more than it hurts them.
But to the first point, it’s not really trolling, it’s tricking your opponent. They can call the bluff. Seriously that sort of stuff isn’t trolling, it’s just feinting.
Lmao cause it’s all part of my plan to make you never play it again.
Nah for me if I don’t like something, even if it’s an extreme dislike, if something in it is good or makes sense, I can still point that out.
That shit made me laugh tho.
I dont really care tho, like dbd doesnt have anything cool enough or anything that feels satisfying enough for me to play it.
Like I said last time I played it, simply because how bad and boring it felt, made the entire experience just hell to sit through.
That wont change so I cant see myself getting into it.
Simply because of the core designs which just make logical sense.
But it’s not my type of game, given the way the mechanics.
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