Difficulty options in hard games

[weebykiwi]

@Eshtion

Like I said adding difficulty options would take away from it as a medal game

Not to mention it’s pointless

Dark souls combat loop is learning enemy behavior in order to properly dodge and punish

If you have an easy mode that ruins that loop it becomes a hack and slash without any flair or depth making the gameplay aweful

If it maintains that combat loop then it’s redundant since these games have ways of making even the hardest boss as easy as the tutorial boss making it redundant

Your asking for a bad game

So yes I’m going to shut that idea down

you realise people who dont want all of that stuff you hate about easy-mode dont need to participate in it if its a selectable option which ive been saying, medal thing is meh i mean its not that hard to beat DS you just need patience and tbh its not much of an accomplishment ive never gone around like yeah bitches i beat all the souls games BOIII i got max characters BOIIII

[Eshtion]

@weebykiwi

you realise people who dont want all of that stuff you hate about easy-mode dont need to participate in it if its a selectable option which ive been saying,

You don’t release bad gameplay period

Especially when it’s the games job to push you into the gameplay loop

If they don’t want that they can su a different game actually designed to be played on easy mode

@weebykiwi

medal thing is meh i mean its not that hard to beat DS

And yet it needs an easy mode?

[weebykiwi]

@Eshtion

You don’t release bad gameplay period

Especially when it’s the games job to push you into the gameplay loop

If they don’t want that they can su a different game actually designed to be played on easy mode

it not bad gameplay its gameplay you dont like.

@Eshtion

And yet it needs an easy mode?

didnt say it needed it im saying it wouldnt hurt the game as a whole and has the potential to improve it and reach more people

[Eshtion]

@weebykiwi

it not bad gameplay its gameplay you dont like

There are things in the world that ​are poorly made

A rickity chair that falls apart when you sit on it brand new is awefully made

Period

Don’t try to pretend that chair is only subjectively bad

It fails as a chair

The same is true for games and movies unless you want to argue that a 4 hour film of a brick wall is on par with the lord of the rings

Even if we ignore that these games are designed to give a specific experience and as such they need to force that experience

And even if we say games need to be as open as possible which doesn’t make sense, there’s still the target market and the target market doesn’t want easy modes

If you say no to all of those then I want a massacre mode in animal crossing since there’s no sense or reason to any design choice

@weebykiwi

didnt say it needed it im saying it wouldnt hurt the game as a whole and has the potential to improve it and reach more people

Same difference

[Eshtion]

@Fire @Finessology your. You both on my side help me with objective quality arguments

[Fire]

No!
You waged war against my kind and the pain from the betrayal was too much to take.

No more conversations til you say sorry.
Lol

[weebykiwi]

@Eshtion

Clearly your not because you don’t know a thing about the game if your citing high enemy health in a dark souls game

not once did i claim that about DS i was claiming that DS wasnt really that hard to begin with, im saying games that are stupidly hard are usually artificially hard because of bullet sponges and one hit enemies, again the souls series only needs patience and memory to win

[Finessology]

@Eshtion

If you say no to all of those then I want a massacre mode in animal crossing since there’s no sense or reason to any design choice

lol @ nightmare mode animal crossing

Games should have a default intended experience, or at the bare minimum say “this is the intended difficulty” and then present extras as a sort of new game+, think Shadow of War where Nemesis mode is intended for the nemesis system because YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DIE. then the additional modes were basically new game + modifiers. People aren’t experiencing the full game if they just slide everything to very easy and just steamroll. Making easy mode cheat codes is just lazy, THATS unironically where the real artifical difficulty comes from because the difficulty sliders just move damage and hp around. I could play everything on easy because all the other settings are just artificial. If you’re making mistakes but you’re godmode is on whats the point?

I don’t think shadow of war benefited from having piss easy difficulties available (though it atleast still hurt xp and orc rarity levels) and you want find the difficulty where you still die in intense situations but not where you die constantly.
Very important in games tagged as difficult because dying is part of the game. The hollow/soul system is part of the gameplay loop.
I made the mistake of playing death stranding on ““normal.”” like welp im sure these enemies will get harder eventually - no. death is supposed to be a mechanic…how do you even die in death stranding on normal

[weebykiwi]

@Eshtion

The same is true for games and movies unless you want to argue that a 4 hour film of a brick wall is on par with the lord of the rings

not comparable. The things you said would make the game boring alot of others find fun and just not a small niche group and no adding extra difficulties while still keeping the hard mode doesn’t take anything away from the niche group since nothing is taken out only added in.

so where is the loss here hardcore sweaties get the hard the casuals get easy and normal. Honestly this whole time its like your fighting to keep something thats not getting taken away. I could understand your extreme zeal if we were saying take out hard and just have easy

[Fire]

Stop writing a book esh.
I see you there.

[Eshtion]

@weebykiwi

@Eshtion

I wasn’t talking difficulty I was talking reputation

The entire dark souls medal thing is psychological

The fact that anyone who beats it has to face the exact same thing as you adds to it

If some one can cheese it on lower levels it takes away from the medal

In ME3 there’s an arena challenge where you fight copies of the player.

I was on insanity difficulty.

When I learned that the achievement could be earned on normal and even easy if you used an exploit I was disappointed since it meant the achievement meant nothing

And the act also meant nothing since it could be done on an easier mode

not once did i claim that about DS i was claiming that DS

The fact that it was a viable thought in any way and not an idiot being an idiot that should be dismissed said enough

@weebykiwi

im saying games that are stupidly hard are usually artificially hard because of bullet sponges and one hit enemies

Difference between difficult and poorly made

@weebykiwi

The things you said would make the game boring alot of others find fun and just not a small niche group

It’s literally a hack and slash with no depth

@weebykiwi

and no adding extra difficulties while still keeping the hard mode doesn’t take anything away from the niche group since nothing is taken out only added in.

I made a counter argument

Counter it

KEEP UP

@weebykiwi

so where is the loss here hardcore sweaties get the hard

We don’t get the satisfaction of beating a game only good gamers can beat

@weebykiwi

Honestly this whole time its like your fighting to keep something thats not getting taken away. I could understand your extreme zeal if we were saying take out hard and just have easy

I already told you and you continue to not pay attention

[Eshtion]

I deleted my first draft

NOW DIE MELON

[Eshtion]

But first help me win this argument please :p

[Finessology]

@weebykiwi

so where is the loss here hardcore sweaties get the hard the casuals get easy and normal.

what is the point of playing dark souls without the hollow and soul system?
You’re supposed to die.

You throwing your undead corpse at the boss over and over until you learn is the game.

[Eshtion]

The other loss is the lesser experience others will have because the game isn’t designed for it

[weebykiwi]

@weebykiwi

The fact that anyone who beats it has to face the exact same thing as you adds to it

If some one can cheese it on lower levels it takes away from the medal

it only takes away from those who play on easy bro

[Eshtion]

No it doesn’t

@Eshtion

In ME3 there’s an arena challenge where you fight copies of the player.

I was on insanity difficulty.

When I learned that the achievement could be earned on normal and even easy if you used an exploit I was disappointed since it meant the achievement meant nothing

And the act also meant nothing since it could be done on an easier mode

There’s a reason why Dark souls is known as the difficult game and not DMC or Doom

Your completely missing the culti affect the lack of an easy mode has

It’s absence adds

[weebykiwi]

yeah right and thats still possible if you so choose if there are choices

[Fire]

@GrimmReaper

Yeah I get that. It’s one of the things I hate the most about PvE because it’s such a cheap cop out and so many Devs do it. It’s not rewarding beaten them either it’s an absolute slog. I personally like Ghost of Tsushima’s Lethal difficulty a lot. You die in like 1-2 hits but so do most of the enemies plus they’re more aggressive and the timing for parries is tighter. It’s so rewarding and that’s how hard difficulties for PvE should be done. Guess we’re just opposite sides of the coins for which we find more tolerable on this one.

No, this is definitely not how high difficulties should be done.
Cause lethal in ghost is too fucking easy.

People love to complain about bullet sponges, but that’s just they dont like long fights.

If I’m fighting minions, then ya, I dont want them to have an immense amount of health.

But if I’m fighting a boss?
Then yes, give them a lot of hp.
Those long fights are fun and rewarding.
The same thing with bosses having one shots.
That’s how it’s supposed to be.

Maybe not for every boss, but definitely for the final boss, a few special, or hidden bosses, hell even some rare special enemies.

Short fights are typically boring as hell.

But it depends on how the boss with a lot of health is designed as well.
Cause some can be stupid and boring.
But simply high health?

Nah. That’s fine.

Seriously cant believe you thought lethal was a good high difficulty that’s pretty hilarious xD.

[weebykiwi]

most games that have really high difficulty choices will award a trophy for it which is the medal you love so much