Glad we could agree that gender = A fictional pseudo-scientific nomenclature with it meaning whatever you want it to mean while you struggle to not sound sexist.
And sex/race = a factual, measurable and repeatable thing.
And like any other, extremist groups and cults are allowed to exist. They just can’t force others to adhere to their stereotypical and regressive beliefs, even if I do identify as a demigod
I’m sorry, is NO ONE going to accept and validate that I am now Mark Zuckerberg and that I should now have access to his/my bank account and floozies?!? What a bunch of bigots!! I DESERVE VALIDATION FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THAT I WANT IT!!
We’ll validate it if you use the money you get from his bank account to help fix this damn game.
1st on my list, chum!!
We don’t agree though, I kinda think what you just wrote is dumb. You obviously want gender to mean biological sex and are offering a false choice between that and it having no meaning.
Sex isn’t gender, race is irrelevant to the discussion.
If we’re still talking about Elliot, he just made a request, you are going to ignore it or not based on how you have acted, I figure you’ll likely keep ignoring it. That’s fine, rude but hey that’s just my opinion.
Its a concept based on feelings and associations so yes it ultimately has no meaning other than whatever you or I project onto it. An imaginary term that means whatever people want it to mean, not associated with anything verifiable, just a collection of stereotypes.
“Identity” includes gender and race does it not mr. linguist?
Depends on the person. Some people are gender neutral. Some people don’t make race part of their identity, for some it’s a major component.
Treat others how they ask to be treated, is a good rule of you’re unsure how to treat someone.
Ok now do a little dance and differentiate identification from identity
I don’t have to do a dance, they’re different words that mean different things.
Are you claiming no Trans people pass as their projected gender?
So same thing one is fictional self-perception and the other is verfiable via heritage, genetics, and bone structure?
No different things.
Identification can mean more than one thing. A trans woman’s Identification in Canada and I think the US will list their gender as Women if they so choose.
But the things you listed are about biology, you are really stuck on that aren’t you.
Identify isn’t the same as being identified. So no Trans people are perceived to be the gender they identify as?
If you’ve been paying attention i’ve been saying they are projecting a stereotype for the longest time lol. Inherently sexist.
Hence someone identifying as black because they listen to rap is disingenuous. You can feel that way and hold these extreme beliefs but yikes thats regressive and you’re trivializing blacks.
Atleast when people were culturally appropriating native american in their portrayals they didn’t actually have the gall to declare themselves native americans.
This isn’t my argument, it is a strawman.
You have mentioned it but not in that way. How a person chooses to express themselves is covered by freedom of speech (or here, freedom of expression). I haven’t claimed any stereotypes for Trans people, you have projected yours onto me. There is a cultural component to expression, stereotypes fall under that, they don’t effect my argument as they aren’t my claims.
Your gender word game by association is a giant stereotype based on what is and isnt female or male behavior/dress but you keep dodging lol. Pretending you can avoid the implications of it by not specifically making these statements.
You’ve pretty much shut down at this point crying fallacy but ill raise you another.
What identifies a person as transracial if not adopting black culture? I can’t wait to hear this regressive sociology BS lmao. Surely you can define this since you conform with this system of beliefs or is that hilariously vague and ever changing also?
Cultural and personal choices make it impossible. You keep swing way over there I don’t need to dodge.
Being black is a choice?
Since this conversation is being had still, then I will say something on it.
Trans people do realize they are not real men or women biologically. They can not help the chemical imbalance in their brain and for their health need to transition. Pretty well understood at this point.
The gender identity ideas didn’t really start happening till the past 10 years or so. And I will admit has gotten a little ridiculous on some although I understand the premise.
Yes, there have been trans people all the way back to Egyptian era and then some, but it was more taboo back then and not spoken of as much. Even in the time of Shakespeare there were gays and trans people, but so highly frowned upon it was typically kept a secret. Do I agree with this? No.
Nowadays, surgeries can be done to make you completely the opposite sex without leaving a scar and you honestly can’t tell the difference. Hormones help maintain this appearance a bit due to once the genitals are removed and replaced your body no longer naturally creates hormones. But, nowadays you can fully transition, hormones, surgeries, name changes, gender legally changed without saying a word and no one would know the difference.
As for medically, yes you have to state you are trans so they can treat you properly, but otherwise this point you have the parts of your chosen gender and medically treated as that gender otherwise.
But, case and point Trans people don’t typically say they are real men or women unless they are extremists. Most simply state I am a Trans man or Trans woman. And ask to respect their pronouns especially if they look like a woman or male at that point. In early stages typically they except being misgendered because they do not look like the gender they are trying to perceive. Otherwise, most are decent people. Biggest thing they hate is being treated like a fetish or they aren’t a person. The little trivial things they typically ignore. And if someone can’t respect them, then they just won’t be around them.
I have had plenty of trans friends and work with a few. So, I have had some of these conversations with them and done my research so I can understand better. Will everyone do that? No. But, I would rather understand and see how something ticks because I enjoy learning something new and crave knowledge. Even if its rather trivial.
Yeah science is a bitch like that, always refining it’s answers.
