Ellen Page is a dude?

You’re thinking of politics, not science. Mental health is a little bit in between because of the nature of psychology. You can get back to me when science has achieved chromosonal editing instead of plastic surgeons removing functioning organs, greenlighting them to shoot up hormones, and then present this as a temporary ethical solution for individuals with body dysmorphia until maintence fails.
Unfortunately some guy offering to shave off half your jaw in taiwan isnt a science anymore than lobotomies and there are fringe doctors who still swear by the good old icepick to the brain.

But enough of that whole ethical issue, back into the identity cult linguistics meme that seems to be a whole seperate thing entirely. Looking at what dad said above I can see there are distinctions made and one or more extremists groups forming the whole social constructivist end of this thing and blurring lines. So what i’d like to know is your stance really that science can’t define race and being black/white/native american etc etc is a metaphysical choice and you’re willing to blur that line with reality? Same for a guy putting on a bra and joining women’s MMA. Do you actively subscribe to this religon, not seeing how that’s offensive in your battle to be inclusive? Or are you just playing along for woke points? Very important questions, be sincere.

Y’all pick some wierd shit to argue about

Everyone needs to watch this video immediately

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No I’m thinking science, I could say you’re taking a political stance but won’t bother arguing it, as it’s obvious.

Mental health isn’t in between politics and psychology. Psychology is a science, it is a soft one but still science.
Trans people don’t all have mental illness, just as homosexuals didn’t 50 years ago, didn’t hold up then, doesn’t hold up now. Mental illness can be exasperated by living conditions or circumstances though and this is important when discussing trans mental health, not something you care about but keep pretending all you want.

You’d invent a reason why gene editing doesn’t count if it were possible, and I’m not interested in debating it as it’s irrelevant to any real situation.
People can do with their bodies what they want, nothing unethical about it. Surgery is a choice, it isn’t required or anyone else’s business.

Our conversation isn’t about this, race just a social construct. One I don’t have the opinions your looking for on.

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Anytime someone says this I imagine the suicide booth from futurama lmao

Yes we’re discussing the implications of social constructs welcome back. So we have established that being black is a social construct and you subscribe to the whole identity thing right?
Because you refused to answer anything I must assume you’re an extremist since you won’t admit to LARPing.

I support euthanasia, that’s an extreme version that’s outside belief.

The only one who sounds like an extremist is you, 🤣.

My whole position is treat people as they ask to be treated.

Your position seems to be that it breaks reality, it’s ridiculous.

How bigoted, nothing is outside belief if I can wake up and metaphysically alter my heritage. A guy can put on a bra and join womens sports. Who’s extreme?

It is ok to admit if you’re just playing along for woke points.

I never answered this, I think there’s a conversation to be had about sports. Unfortunately it isn’t for here and now. You wouldn’t engage in good faith arguments.

PS. I’m not woke, not part of my cultural lexicon.

Yes and @NerdatorPrime identifies as mark zuckerberg.

Of course not. You’ve been stalling for ages now. Now that I think about it you stopped answering anything at all as soon as you came to the conclusion that a girl saying she is a guy because she wears baggy clothes is inherently sexist

It isn’t relevant to whether gender is a construct.

I am Lt Major Dutch Schaefer, Special Forces

Halloween is basically global identity appropriation day unless you fail RP

But halloween is also problematic so it checks out

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Halloween (the holiday or the movie) is not problematic!!

It is the best holiday aside from Xmas!!

You’re walking the line here pal!!!

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In truth, being trans is a mental illness @Slasher_Clone even if the federal law changed it from being so to be more inclusive. It is classified as such because it isn’t normal and the anomaly is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. There is no correcting it. Hence why every gay, trans, nonbinary, etc. say we didn’t chose to be this way. If they could chose it they wouldn’t be the way they are. But, rather than pretending to be straight or a male or a woman and fighting that chemical imbalance and eventually leading to suicide they simply embrace it and accept it for who they are. No one chooses to be gay or trans.

As for the social constructs of it, again a lot of extremists groups push for some of the more ludicrous ideals, not your every day trans person who wants to be treated like a normal person and that’s all they ask for. You also have the ones who do it for popularity and to be ‘hip’ when its not and try to capitalize on it. Those people frankly disgust me due to popularity shouldn’t be a concern especially when we aren’t in high school anymore. They pay for it in the end when trying to detransition since some effects are permanent and can’t simply turn back once its done and they didn’t bother to do research before doing it.

I do understand where you are coming from @Slasher_Clone, but you are basing a lot of your statements on what more extremist groups in the LGBTQ community want, not the common every day ones. So, in this regard on the gender constructs @Finessology is mostly correct.

IT IS IF YOU REFUSE TO PROPERLY ROLEPLAY YOUR CHARACTER. HISTORY OF HALLOWEEN? PROBLEMATIC. COSTUMES? PROBLEMATIC. THE MOVIE? PROBLEMATIC.

You don’t even get a real holiday break for halloween! You better put thanksgiving a tier above halloween NOW!

Dude didn’t think someone could get something so wrong. Keep trying though.

YOU’RE PROBLEMATIC!!

EAT A BAG OF STALE CANDY CORN AT ONCE!!

THE WHOLE BAG!!

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And for the record, I am completely unbiased in this. Hence why I am being factual, not emotional in these statements nor adding my opinions in the matter. In truth, this topic isn’t black and white, there is a lot of grey. Mostly due to extremists want one thing and every day people want another. Trans people didn’t chose most of these people to speak on their behalf and rather they didn’t. They simply chose themselves and only gained headway due to bigots used it to prove their point and select few trans followed it, but the majority didn’t.

You’re defending 1 sect of whats fundamentally just an ideology with no material basis and I don’t think you even subscribe to the belief itself?

It’s ok if Death Watch doesn’t want honorary mandalorians

Mental illness you say?

Kinda makes sense

It’s heavily dependent on circumstances though