Future Patch Ideas (Work-In-Progress)

[Silveri]

Can someone actually post a clip where setting shadows to low makes predator visible when standing still? Havent seen it anywhere but everyone claims this to be true.

[Dragnar]

@Drakos

The idea of extending the quick claim is insane, going in for a quick claim against a well coordinated fireteam usually results in second wind or death. You extend the quick claim, and the FTs will win every time. SMH

Did you read how each claim will impact the ability to reinforce for the fireteam?

@Bloodfang

Why would both Quick Claim and Long Claim both be the same speed? Quick is not dishonorable just not taking the time to gain a full trophy so not as much value in Pred Society. Just like just skinning them isn’t worth much at all and is usually only done when the Pred is admitting that they were not much of a challenge. Which I wish were an option for very small xp or currency and at this point would be great for the basic AI. It’s more of their version of insult to injury while claiming the minimum points possible, lol. But Quick is a decent amount but not full value and Long is of course full value. They should be worth Currency not just XP. That would give actual incentive to go for long claims as right now there is NONE unless the FT are all down or totally desert their fallen. Quick claims are the only efficient way to keep them from coming back over and over but is still VERY risky if your teammates aren’t also all dead or just dicks who ignore no man left behind.

No one said that they would be the same speed, he said that long claim would be the same speed as it was before (aka no change in speed) and there is further incentive in both currency and xp to do long claim kills. I will get him to change the wording so people do not get confused.

Significantly increased rewards (including currency) of Long Claim Kill

[Drakos]

I understood everything just fine. If you extend the duration of quick claim even a half second, it means dead Pred. Even if long claims have better incentive, a coordinated FT will camp a downed player, which will result in FT winning every game, because with the amount of damage the FT can do to preds in 2-3 second.

[DesertDog]

@Drakos

The idea of extending the quick claim is insane, going in for a quick claim against a well coordinated fireteam usually results in second wind or death. You extend the quick claim, and the FTs will win every time. SMH

@Drakos

I understood everything just fine. If you extend the duration of quick claim even a half second, it means dead Pred. Even if long claims have better incentive, a coordinated FT will camp a downed player, which will result in FT winning every game, because with the amount of damage the FT can do to preds in 2-3 second.

It is only extended by half a second. From playing a lot as Predator, I know how stupidly easy it is to quick claim someone and bounce, making reinforcement not only necessary, but also to not able to nerf their health, ammo, or supplies once respawned.

UPDATE: I changed the wording so that people do not get confused as to what same speeds means when talking about before and after. It does not mean the same speed between two different claims.

[Drakos]

I only play Pred, have several hundred games as Pred. And I’m telling you if you extend the quick claim time at all l, no Pred will be able to claim anything.

[Dragnar]

In my opinion, you have to play both sides in order to get to know the strength and weaknesses, as well as what has to be changed to make a better game overall.

[DesertDog]

@madmardigan

Return plasmacaster damage to previous levels. Nerfing it has encouraged preds to combi zerk instead of hunt from distance. Maybe reduce energy drain slightly to encourage more ranged combat too. This would reduce the combizerk tactic.

Make reinforcements come back with no health packs or maybe just one syrette and half ammo.

Reduce predator noise levels.

Increase disc speed.

Reduce spot spamming.

Do something to reduce leap slam spamming.

Maybe something to encourage fireteam to communicate better like extra xp when chat is used?

Bonus points if an FT member reinforces solo.

Prioritise actions over reloads so the FT can grab the chopper ropes without doing a reload first.

Let me try to take these on one at a time here.

1. I am not sure about changing the plasma caster damage because we are already increasing the damage of 3 weapons: Hand Held Plasma Caster, Smart Disc (Melee), & War Club.

2. We cannot change reinforcements because of how easy quick claims are, we would have to either lengthen it, make it interruptible, or do something else do it.

3. We already took care of this (Crouch and slow walking Predators make significantly reduced noise)

4. I will do some more testing with the disc speed, but if it is too fast, it would be unbalanced because it is already a one-hit down.

5. Spot spamming was already taken care (it does not reduce ping spam, which fireteams would definitely be able to do still)
   Berserker class will have a 0% increase in stealth
   Hunter class will have a 50% increase in stealth
   Scout class will have a 100% increase in stealth

6. I am not sure how to change this, but maybe have a cooldown on the leap slam, does that sound good?

7. The only way that this is going to happen is if the fireteam can communicate without predators being able to listen in, which is something that we proposed (a team chat and a global chat).

8. Bonus points as in experience, currency, or both?

9. I will add that to the list.

[DesertDog]

@madmardigan

Increase disc speed.

Maybe in melee, but when thrown, you can significantly increase the speed by hitting fire

[YUPPERS]

2500 for pred kill and 1k per predator kill, since the fire team can collect vibranium around map. I think it will promote less grind and have ft be more risky in kills and preds also capitalizing on mistakes.

[Jaysus]

can we get a macro fix in here.?

[DesertDog]

@Jaysus

can we get a macro fix in here.?

What do you mean macro fix?

[Jaysus]

its on the forum with footage of how game breaking it is.

I like the idea of a well written patch note compilation. good job on the formatting.

Are you monitoring the rest of the forum though? Nasty and game breaking bugs have been posted which should be a priority have not made it on this list.

[WhiteKala78]

Honestly I sure hope with all the changes to both sides, arguably negative and semi postive for both sides,

I hope above all else there’s weapon load out/combination changes/reworks and DPS modifications on certain guns ans as well as attachments for fireteam specifically, taylored to a 4 stack team and not individually.

Including class stats from HP, walking/running speed, small weapon speed buff/ stamina regen. Gear combinations as well.

Because this whole wishlist will still be for nothing if some of the underlying issues are addressed.

Same principle can be addressed to berserk predator load out possibilities.

[madmardigan]

Increasing damage of those doesn’t mean the plasmacaster can’t be returned to normal. It’s meant to be the main pred weapon and it uses a ton of energy so should drop someone with a direct hit.

Dont see how increasing the damage of the warclub affects that as it has no bearing on ranged attacks. Disc damage increase still doesn’t change much as even with the button held it’s still easy to dodge unless you are deaf and you get caught in a tight space.

If the plasmacaster is returned to normal I’d say leave the hand held as is. Having both increased might be too much. Do one at a time.

Returning the plasmacaster to previous damage is still imo the best way to put off the combistick rushers. I only ever hunted at range till they nerfed the main weapon. Now preds are forced to use melee at times because the bow insanely doesn’t drop a ft member with a charged headshot and it’s not easy to even get a hit with it on ps4 due to no mouse.

A minimum 20 sec cool down on slam would help but give preds a countdown timer so they can see this.

Totally agree on you’re stealth increase numbers.

Can’t take away the ability to eavesdrop on the ft as they are not communicating telepathically. Makes it more like the movie. I’d say make it only audible within 30 feet or so though. Anyway that’s not why people don’t use chat as it’s been like this from day one. Even if the pred can eavesdrop it’s still better to use chat. You just wanna be able to tell the team to stay together or let’s move on, shout out the direction of the pred etc. That’s a big one, when people do use chat it’s amazing when they say where the pred is without needing a spot. You can just say he’s to the east on the tower or whatever.

Don’t see what reinforcements have to do with quick claims. Bringing back teammates with one syrette and no other gear other than weapons is fair as it means the pred doesn’t need to start his game all over again on a fresh ft. If you’ve hunted a team well. Took out 3 guys and used your heals then it’s unfair to have them all back at full strength. I feel like that even when I’m playing FT.

Responding to point 8. I’d say either or both. Just something to reward it as it’s quite a big deal.

[splifftor]

technically the hand held plasma caster is made from the shoulder mounted…
so the damage should be the same.
however perhaps after enough damage (or for a cheap solution the mask is removed), canon is gone and only hand held is an option.

[madmardigan]

Only problem is it doesn’t drain energy so would be unfair if it did huge damage.

I do like the idea of the pred removing the plasmacaster from his shoulder when the mask is destroyed. At that point it could fire a few shots at non charged damage and recharge. Could implement this and totally remove the current pea shooter.

[DesertDog]

@Jaysus

its on the forum with footage of how game breaking it is.

I like the idea of a well written patch note compilation. good job on the formatting.

Are you monitoring the rest of the forum though? Nasty and game breaking bugs have been posted which should be a priority have not made it on this list.

I try to cover as much as I can, but it is rough. Any links would be appreciated as this is not my job, I just want to help as much as possible.

@WhiteKala78

Honestly I sure hope with all the changes to both sides, arguably negative and semi postive for both sides,

I hope above all else there’s weapon load out/combination changes/reworks and DPS modifications on certain guns ans as well as attachments for fireteam specifically, taylored to a 4 stack team and not individually.

Including class stats from HP, walking/running speed, small weapon speed buff/ stamina regen. Gear combinations as well.

Because this whole wishlist will still be for nothing if some of the underlying issues are addressed.

Same principle can be addressed to berserk predator load out possibilities.

Which issues are you concerned with? I have people helping me look for bugs, but we’re not able to discover new ones all of the time. And I don’t scour the bug reports usually, because then I have to verify if it is a legit bug or one-off.

@madmardigan

Increasing damage of those doesn’t mean the plasmacaster can’t be returned to normal. It’s meant to be the main pred weapon and it uses a ton of energy so should drop someone with a direct hit.

Dont see how increasing the damage of the warclub affects that as it has no bearing on ranged attacks. Disc damage increase still doesn’t change much as even with the button held it’s still easy to dodge unless you are deaf and you get caught in a tight space.

If the plasmacaster is returned to normal I’d say leave the hand held as is. Having both increased might be too much. Do one at a time.

Returning the plasmacaster to previous damage is still imo the best way to put off the combistick rushers. I only ever hunted at range till they nerfed the main weapon. Now preds are forced to use melee at times because the bow insanely doesn’t drop a ft member with a charged headshot and it’s not easy to even get a hit with it on ps4 due to no mouse.

A minimum 20 sec cool down on slam would help but give preds a countdown timer so they can see this.

Totally agree on you’re stealth increase numbers.

Can’t take away the ability to eavesdrop on the ft as they are not communicating telepathically. Makes it more like the movie. I’d say make it only audible within 30 feet or so though. Anyway that’s not why people don’t use chat as it’s been like this from day one. Even if the pred can eavesdrop it’s still better to use chat. You just wanna be able to tell the team to stay together or let’s move on, shout out the direction of the pred etc. That’s a big one, when people do use chat it’s amazing when they say where the pred is without needing a spot. You can just say he’s to the east on the tower or whatever.

Don’t see what reinforcements have to do with quick claims. Bringing back teammates with one syrette and no other gear other than weapons is fair as it means the pred doesn’t need to start his game all over again on a fresh ft. If you’ve hunted a team well. Took out 3 guys and used your heals then it’s unfair to have them all back at full strength. I feel like that even when I’m playing FT.

Responding to point 8. I’d say either or both. Just something to reward it as it’s quite a big deal.

The plasma caster does a significant amount of damage, especially if you loud out for energy and ranged damage.

The more you buff something, the more it changes dynamics, so you don’t want to go over-buffing things and then having to nerf it after the fact.
I don’t know how else to handle the Smart Disc ranged, what do you suggest for it?

We are already looking at increasing the hand held, so buffing the plasma caster is a non-starter.

I could agree on the cooldown of 20 seconds, that seems fair given how much damage it does and through walls.

I agree to disagree about the communication or there should be a way to use the command wheel without literally shouting orders that can be heard from insane distances. Operators don’t always talk, and no amount of technology can intercept hand signals if you aren’t looking at it.

It is to balance out how easy it is to quick claim and move on without any downsides. If you want to quick claim, it will last 1 second but allow that fireteam member to be reinforced at full. With reliable boars, boars spawning, and not despawning, the fireteam will need the ammo (not every team is running all ammo and med packs all of the time) to keep breaking down the predator’s health which is instant and regenerates after eating the boar.

I think currency medium and experience heavy, because fireteam can get currency around the map.

@splifftor

technically the hand held plasma caster is made from the shoulder mounted…
so the damage should be the same.
however perhaps after enough damage (or for a cheap solution the mask is removed), canon is gone and only hand held is an option.

That first part won’t work here, the second part might but it would have be balanced out really well.

@madmardigan

Only problem is it doesn’t drain energy so would be unfair if it did huge damage.

It drains its own energy but I agree with damage should not be the same

[madmardigan]

Yes the hand held drains it’s own but not your main reserve so doesn’t force a decloak.

If the plasmacaster is returned to previous damage then the handheld could be left weak.

Just leave the disc damage then but either make it faster or remove most of the silly blue trail it leaves behind and make it quieter. I have in all honesty never been hit once by it and neither has the guy I always play with. It’s ridiculously easy to see, hear and avoid it.

I think extending claim times is bad as it’s not fair that the pred gets no real points for downing someone, you need to go in for the kill. So it’s like you already need to perform 2 tasks for each trophy.

I still think reinforcements should come back with no gear. One syrette and their previous weapons. Why should the pred have to kill the team from scratch all over again.

I’d say I still agree with a lot of your ideas but I truly think returning the PC to previous damage would give preds back their main ranged weapon and definitely reduce combi rushers. This can only be a good thing and I really see no argument at all in saying a fully charged plasma weapon should not knock a man down. Bear in mind you only really get 2 or 3 shots at most before you overload.

[Jaysus]

Ok ill link you what I think should be included here today. Thanks for your response.

[splifftor]

it’s one part…
I’m not sure where you are seeing two parts to my comment.
They are the same weapon, once the mechanics of the shoulder mounted plasma canon are broken it can be removed and used as a pistol.

The energy system for pred is so broken it’s not funny, as is stamina.

Do FT miniguns overheat?
Can FT spint the entire map as long as they stop sprinting for 1.5 seconds before stamina is completely depleted?

Can I sprint the entire map with a pistol and then pull out a two handed weapon (that is actually designed to be mounted and no human in the history of the world could carry and shoot), that requires an entire back pack of belt feed ammo? Even though when that exact weapon is actually equipped I walk at a snails pace.
Can I swap from pistol to full mounted backpack minigun with key press? and can the pred change from wrist mounted blades to a canon mounted on his shoulder or a net gun mounted in his other hand… or a stick he carries on his belt with the same ease?