Yep, i’ve watched the video, there are very many games out there where you can find spots that will make you fall through the ground. It’s hard for map creators to go through every inch of the map to find flaws, there are several rocks in Backwater which has invisible walls too, which you can jump up on.
HIDING UNDER THE MAP AND HACKING OMG WTF UGH.
Btw i wont lie right now but its pretty decent chance that the game is hackable due to actual EAC which is bypassable and people make scripts and external clients, anyways my point is ofc its not like that everyone hacks lol… but lets say a out of 70 / 30 chances to get out of the map it may be a hacker that used teleporting cheats which is easy to do if the character is controlable by XYZ trajectory system which is a long story to explain but its usually what games do for FPS shooters… anyways the inputs can be easily modified with external cheats… Also i agree probably the match died cause the code in game was like oh rip this aint right im gonna stop working… right… sort of like that… anyways i doubt its easy to exploit trough surface rn… maybe there is a border flaw where people can shimmy trough the hitbox and stuff… and just camp below… but im gonna say they used some sort of cheat for teleporting
Oh and before in patch 1.06 i could somehow launch if i was stuck on tree… million miles in air and i was able to hit the barrier… but its just fairly high up in air… sort of like a modified box, so i doubt they could exploit out of the border without teleporting cheats… there is no way in hell with lagging you can exploit trough the map…
@Coffee2Go Can you show the source where it explains how EAC is bypassable please? And what kind of scripts and external clients do you refer to?
I think EAC would detect fast traversing in the game, what people consider being hacks in PHG is caused by bugs and glitches.
Youl dumbass, no one fucking said hiding under the map was a hack. I called it a fucking exploit. Which means I’m calling it a glitch.
The other shit, that only affected me, is what I’m calling hacks. Its fucking ridiculous how many of you have no reading comprehension, yet are on a site where you have to be able to read to communicate.
Seriously, where the fuck did I say or claim that going under the map was a hack?
Everyone’s hung up on EAC but its the server calculating client positions whenever it refreshes which gives us this janky glorious rubberbanding experience we have now as FT. Even if you got a script editor past EAC and told it you were flying around you wouldn’t be able to because the server checks values before updating everyone elses client. Its an impossibility like noclipping SC2 ranked.
Im not gonna lie to you but im scared of posting source to the site, but im gonna say which sites (MPGH, unknowncheats, reddit) people there on certain subs are highly experienced in bypassing even battleye launcher which is constantly getting worked on unlike EAC, Im not an expert for bypassing anti cheats but what i have noticed with my own eyes they write a code and a script which injects in the ANTI CHEAT in this case EAC… and it basically runs it normally without detecting you for any of game modifying… and also its generally not faster traversing… its rather from A - B… see how map works is the map has its own cordinates and chunks… right… pay attention, as i said im not an expert but i have friends who did talk to me about it and i was curious how games work etc… Usually what it does is its live tracking your movement and messurements and cordinates and the external cheats can teleport you lets say 5 meters below or up or right or left… which is what you call X Y Z principal
Server allows any values, except its EAC that noticed abnormal values, for example lets say you are lagging and you seem like you are teleporting, that is why EAC exists to determen whats wrong or right and keep balance and saftey…
So im repeating again, the server client can be coded in a way the player cant really teleport at all or just be in that certain area… But this means the player can either get kicked if he she uses cheats to go under the map or out of borders… and it depends if its actually map flaw design or actual cheating… and EAC is there to help… now in my own experience as i stated before i tried to exploit in beta, final release version which is 1.0… and many more patches… there was an exploit on the pyramid in overgrowth where you could go on it and launch your self from one side of map to the end or above… but you still hit the border… now again i was unable to go below or above the map cause the border was there… I hope you read it well and understand what i am saying…
Moving on, so EAC once is disabled, allows the hackers to do pretty much anything really if the game has been coded to withold those values or not… like the values are important here and im not the actual game dev how much damage is allowed to be done to pred or are people able to teleport and walk below the map…
Usually you have it so once you are out of borders you are kind of stuck in invisible space textures and able to bit people from below… which @Fire stated… my personal believe is they have to be cheating, unless its really just lag and poor optimizations…
Oh and i can also somewhat explain why they are able to hit you trough map, sometimes as i stated before in up post, THE DEVS make the maps so the surface is where action and texture are but below you usually dont have anything, so it saves performance…
@Fire I don’t know how deep into your butt your head is right now, but if you scroll up the top and read the title of your own post it says “HIDING UNDER THE MAP AND HACKING”, so my question is, in what way are they hacking?
And maybe you’re dyslexic too since you didn’t read my reply properly, and you wrote the following: “Its fucking ridiculous how many of you have no reading comprehension”, well, talk for yourself?? xD
That’s not EAC its the server doing math. It didn’t move you 5 meters below because it just calculates that you couldn’t have moved 5 meters below, then it sends the info back to the client and you rubberband. This is why games have been moving to serverside checks if they’re serious about cheating, but it does negatively affect the gameplay with any latency whatsoever between you and the server.
All EAC does is run in the background and boot you if things don’t add up or you’ve got scripts running. The server handles everything else including the more obvious speedhacks/noclip/damage modifiers. Mobas/RTS’s, battlefield to some extent all use this kind of system where the server doesnt give a shit about what the client is telling it other than player inputs even if its a “hello server I am dealing 999 damage” injected packet. Doesn’t compute because the servers like a one-way conveyor belt for most functions, up to the developer how far the game leans on the server.
Ffs i didnt say EAC moves you lmfao ahahah… sry i am on phone writting this all… umm i said Server side client does the moving part, while EAC moderates the actual movement and is checking for suspicion… and what actually moves u 5 meters or any number down up right left is the actual external client hack that people tend to develop if they feel like it… ive done some snooping and people usually do the code with Visual Code studio, they write it and with it they bypass the EAC and idk what external cheats use… tbh im not a cheater or i wish to know cause i despise people using cheats in MP experience…
I want you, to read my very first post, carefully, which fucking explains what I’m calling a hack.
You’re only proving my point about lacking reading comprehension.
And I know you’re trying to pretend you’re all smart and shit, but how the fuck does that in any way show I’m dyslexic?
Please, if you’re going to try to roast someone, use words properly and make sure you fully understand what the fuck is presented.
That you misinterpreted what I wrote, and thought I said them hiding under the Map was a hack, is on you, not on me. I made what I was saying clear.
Like seriously way to ignore the keyword in the title, that word being “and”.
Hiding under the map AND hacking.
It’s in the fucking title, that right there shows, pretty fucking clearly that the hiding under the map, is not being referred to as a hack.
Yes i agree hiding below map is not hacking its called exploiting, and to do so you probably need hacks… (probably in 90% of cases)
Not for that Rock. Anyone can go under that rock in backwater. It’s just a glitch. All the other shit tho, plus the throw away profiles? I’m calling hacks.
In a client sided game yes. This game is full retard networking though and handles incoming/outgoing connections like a MOBA so the server is also tracking movement and you can’t tell it you are anywhere you aren’t, it will send you back as soon as the server refreshes and if it keeps happening you get booted. Which is great in theory for dealing with hacks, but makes the game a buggy POS as soon as anyone’s lagging - downed states/interactions etc stop working the way they’re supposed to when you recieve delayed game state updates. Everyone’s also generated their own seperate game states so they are all seeing different things on their screen which is a silly design decision for a shooter, why would you put the predator at 5 different approximate places for everyone aside from just ragdolls, but I digress maybe illfonic is genius. Also hitscan weapons are client sided so there’s no way to not get shot through walls aside from adding travel time to bullets. This game is like the worst latency you’ve experienced on Battlefield’s dedicated servers dialed up to 10 but in exchange hacks are very much limited to just client-side scripts that are easily patched out of existence assuming anyone even bothers.
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Yeah lets all agree its probably glitches and bugs… i dont really see hackers having will to spend their time for this game… its not really that popular lol but yeah…
@Fire
I have nowhere stated that hiding under the map is hacking, THAT is where YOU misinterpret, not me, therefore lacking ability to read and understand.
And i have read your very first post, it doesn’t explain the usage of any hacks, it explains bugs, glitches, lagg and server related things. Like, don’t we all know that Illfonic have been having issues with those things since the very release of the game? Sometimes the experience is worse.
Ok. So I had not once, in any of my post said that going under the map was hacking. Its a glitch. Both the title and my post show, that I’m calling it an exploit, or bug, and not a hack.
Yet this response here, which I quoted from you, you are nom stop talking about them hiding underground, like if I said that has the hack, which I never did.
All I said in regards to hiding under the map, was for illfonic to please fix it.
That’s it. Not once did you address any of the other bullshit I had to go through in the match.
Its fucking hilarious how it’s not hacks, yet it only affected me.
Lag, would not negate the timer, not for as long as it did. Lag would not remove my ability to use thermal despite having my mask.
So again, my fucking problem with you, is how you kept coming at me, saying that I was claiming hiding underground was a hack. When I never did.
Because if you truly didnt believe that, then the response I quoted makes no sense. Why would say that, if you knew I wasnt saying being under the maps was hacks?
I’m sick and fucking tired of people always acting like hacking is impossible. Like for fucks sakes, it happens so far, I’ve ran into it twice in this game.
And given that illfonic is such a small studio, and ALL the other problem we got here, I’m pretty fucking sure a few ppl will hack.
Like fuck man, I’ve seen hacking in games that were better and had more anti hacking security and shit.
@Fire
I don’t know where you get the idea from, that someone has claimed that YOU say that going under the map is hacking, i really don’t give a damn about that, that is something you’ve misread somewhere.
My first reply to this post:
I don’t think the majority of the people playing games knows what “Hacking” is, you just use it as a term when someone is either better than you or is exploiting some bugs.
(Notice the “either” word, yet you lay focus on the “better than you” part).
Your reply to my post:
Did you watch the video?
Cause I dont say hacks unless truly fucked up shit is happening.
I dont fkn say ppl are hacking if they’re better. If anything I get accused of hacking even tho I dont.
-----“Cause i don’t say hacks unless truly fucked up shit is happening”.-----
This comment shows everyone in here that you have no idea what a hack is, and confirms the meaning of my first reply, that players often use this word when they either get angry over that someone is better than you or is exploiting some kind of bugs, and so on, and so on, and so on, a common term in the gaming world.
Your next reply, i don’t know which person this is aimed to and i can’t find where someone claimed that hiding under the map is a hack:
Youl dumbass, no one fucking said hiding under the map was a hack. I called it a fucking exploit. Which means I’m calling it a glitch.
The other shit, that only affected me, is what I’m calling hacks. Its fucking ridiculous how many of you have no reading comprehension, yet are on a site where you have to be able to read to communicate.
Seriously, where the fuck did I say or claim that going under the map was a hack?
My very first reply was about your title, saying: “Hiding under the map and hacking”, so i commented the “hacking” part, because i saw no evidence of hack usage, i saw only a game with alot of bugs, glitches and exploits.
So if i were in your shoes, and i’d get the “Signed Out” disconnect while playing in a round, should i start a new thread here in the forums with the title saying something like: “OMG HACKERS ARE DISCONNECTING ME WTF UGH”? Because that is what you have done.
I agree that several fucked up things happened in that round, but that is how this game is at this very moment, shit happens, bugs happens, glitches happens, game functions breaks, players exploiting stuff. The game might behave different when noticing players are outside of the map field.
And do you really think some people would actually bother to sit for months and try create a hacking program that can bypass a world leading anti-cheat program, to be able to cheat in a buggy, glitchy, half-broken game, when they can simply abuse and exploit the flaws in the games instead?
I don’t think so.