How to release Jungle Hunter without releasing Jungle Hunter

#161

But they remember the City Hunter. They may only remember parts of that film, but at least they remember that. Although, he’s still not as iconic. Not even by a long shot.

The mistake that the Predator franchise made was not capitalizing on bringing Dutch back a few years after P2. Then again, Arnold would have been stuck in scheduling hell, because that would’ve been around the time when he was in half the movies coming out of Hollywood—or so it seemed anyway.

Also, the effects in P2 where not as good as those in Predator 1, in my opinion. The Jungle Hunter looked far more believable to me than the City Hunter. And his suit design aesthetics were better too. It was all downhill after the first film, because it really couldn’t get any better than the first one, sadly. At least Alien did get the Aliens sequel.

At least with things like Dracula, there have been a few good films scattered about. I’ve lost faith for the future, that anything good will come out of the 80s monster franchises though.

#162

Wash your mouth out! You’re wrong on this one.

The Predator is definitely a pop culture iconic monster, though obviously not at the same level as Dracula or Frankenstein’s monster.

If the original film was just considered another career steeping stone for Arnie along the lines of Raw Deal and Red Heat there wouldn’t be all these other films, comics, and games still being made today which are totally unrelated to Arnold’s participation. This game for instance would have been made whether Arnold agreed to feature in it or not, as the game is centred around an alien hunter first seen on screen in the 80s - that’s a pretty good indicator of how the Predator has been embedded into popular consciousness.

Arnold turned down Predator 2 to do Kindergarten Cop. It was a deliberate move on his part to try and broaden his appeal, and although the film is far from a classic, it probably was the right career move. I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t have been remotely interested in doing a P3 around this time.

#163

Literally?

You are grossly over simplifying. Almost everyone over 30 has seen it or at least heard of it. It used to be on tv a few times per year right through the late 80s and 90s not including cable channels. It still gets played on national tv channels now and again. It currently has an 87% rating from over 250 thousand people on a certain movie site.

If you don’t think it’s great then James Cameron respects that. It is however loved by many and will have a following for a while yet. At the very least it took creature movies to the next level. It’s also one of the most quotable movies ever, is unapologetically not PC (and is better for it).

Predator 2 is not as well known but you only mentioned that when your comments on the popularity of Predator were shown to be incorrect.

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#164

Yautja and Xenomorphs are definitely iconic. But claiming they are the most iconic movie monsters since Dracula is a gross overstatement. Not when Godzilla (literal king of the monsters), Romero zombies, Jason Voorhees, Freddy Krueger, and Michael Myers exist. Hell an argument can possibly be made for Chucky and the shark from Jaws being higher on the iconic tier list.

As much as I love Predator (both the franchise and the creature), there are definitely more iconic horror characters than Predator besides Dracula.

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#165

Merchandise sales would say otherwise.

#166

That was xenos by far.
90% of movie monsters since have been blind crawly things.
They’re still more associated with chestbursting the same way The Fly is associated with teeth falling out.

I don’t think pred is on the level of alien, its somewhere next to terminator with arnies face plastered on it. Recognizable as a classic but its no dracula. The monster itself is just fodder for unwinnable matchups like vs batman. no one actually cares about the klingon honor shit lore.
The only other monster id call directly inspired by pred are halo Elites and they managed to flesh out their monsters better than pred itself without copy pasting shit from star trek. Consider that just the energy sword is more iconic than anything the pred is carrying, its up there somewhere tiers below the Lightsaber. Aliens pulse rifle is really high up there too.

For sure. Jurassic Park is THE dinosaur film. Everyone thinks of the same thing if I mention a shark or a possessed doll.
The Meg or sharknado fanbase will argue meg or sharknado is more iconic than Jaws however so here we are.

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#167

Against your argument? Yes I agree.

#168

Yep I thought about the dinosaurs from JP too. Far more iconic than Predator.

#169

I think some of you don’t understand the concept of the statement. Saying that something is the most iconic “since” something else does not put it on the same level as the previous thing. It just means it’s the most recognizable. Everyone knows the Predator and the “Xenomorph.” And I’m specifically speaking of movie monsters. Jurassic fucking Park dinosaurs are not exactly what I would call movie monsters. They’re dinosaurs.

#170

We understand what you said just fine. We are disagreeing with you that they are the “most recognizable” movie monsters created since 1931 essentially. And the dinosaurs from JP are definitely movie monsters. As are every other example I gave.

But if you want to narrow down your perception of what classifies as a movie monster till all that’s left is Predator and Alien, then of course they are the most recognizable. Like nobody’s disagreeing with you that they’re iconic and recognizable. They are some of the most iconic/recognizable creatures created in the last 90 years of cinema. But the definitive most? Nah.

#171

Dinosaurs are not movie monsters. Neither are giant sharks. Godzilla, yes. Sorry to say.

#172

“Monster is a relative term. To a canary, a cat is a monster. We’re just use to being the cat.” - Henry Wu

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#173

inmo releasing exclusives is marketing and retarded. They are all hackable

#174

True. I just don’t consider dinosaurs monsters. Or sharks. They’re animals. Are they scary? Sure. Godzilla would be absolutely terrifying though, considering all that he’s been capable of.

#175

At most supernatural beings are monsters (add with malicious intent if you want to take away gods and other stuff of that nature

Everything else are just animals

#176

Oh for sure, I’m just pointing out it’s sort of a subjective thing how we define monster movies. But then again, I think what Spielberg made, went above and beyond a typical summer ‘monster’ movie.

#177

Much of the monster movie subgenre features dinosaurs and giant animals. The Lost World, King Kong, The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms, Them!, It Came From Beneath The Sea, etc. Are you just going to discredit those movies and creatures just to qualify your viewpoint? You’d have to ignore the 50’s altogether which is the monster movie decade of horror. For reference:


http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/monster_movies

Back to Jurassic Park, the creatures featured in that movie were genetically created in a lab, had their DNA spliced with other animals, and ended up with traits that paleontology has since determined were not accurate to their long extinct ancestors. How is that not textbook movie monster?

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#178

That’s cool if you think that. Alien is certainly an amazing creature. Pred is amazing also though.

#179

I don’t consider dinosaur movies to be monster movies. That’s not to discredit any work done on them. It’s just not King Kong or Godzilla. Jaws isn’t something I would sit back and say “oh, that’s a great monster flick.”

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#180

Ikr.
The whole point of jurassic park is that they’re manmade abominations. Even with stuff cut from the book the “”“animals”"" become slasher villains hunting down the main cast. It’s not Walking with Dinosaurs lmao.

Its a creature feature. Still a monster. Do you consider Lake Placid and Jaws animal documentaries?