Well if the entire FT dies in the explosion thats a pred win
I just got banned from a steamer's chat for pointing out that a succesfull detonation = win for the pred..
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I’d still consider that a fireteam win since they did manage to kill the predator.
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But the FT died. Plus the pred actaully got what he wanted. Thats why he laughs because he knows (thinks) that the FT can’t escape so he’ll kill them regardless. He got his prey.
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That’s something that needs to be patched for sure. It ends the game prematurely and prevents everyone from getting XP/VT… Pretty lame.
If I’m downed in a place that’s innacessible to the FT, they didn’t think about that before downing me. This is why second wind allows you to jump and run still. You are supposed to get to a safe place to heal up, or find a spot they wont risk killing you and not be able to attempt a disarm. I put this in the risk/reward bucket.
Well it wouldn’t be subjective given the known mechanics and end conditions. If they were more clear (losing/draw conditions specifically) It wouldn’t be an issue. A simple denial of rewards and sad music would fix that.
This is a good question, because the way I had initially interpreted it was if FT were killed in the blast, the pred would get credit for their deaths, and some XP… That isn’t the case. So maybe they should work it out so the pred gets a “Last laugh” bonus for each FT that’s doesn’t get out of range in time.
That’s true, but it would also raise a lot more questions about what actually happened, and jeopardize the entire organisation.
That much is obvious… I stuck around and listened for a bit, and he just kept saying I was salty and postulated that I was the pred in the match… He went on make the argument that “I’m alive, you’re dead, I win”.
It’s a matter of perspective. I’m a pred main and if I got killed and armed my bomb, I’d consider it a loss regardless of who gets killed in the blast.
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Fireteam can only win the match with the following conditions;
Successful completion of mission and exfiltration of at least one FT player
or
Kill Predator, and if the bomb is activated defuse it, secure the body until OWLF arrive.
These are the only two conditions the game classes as wins for FT which is supported by the Daily Challenges “Win Quick Matches As Fireteam”. Nothing else will count as a win for FT as far as the game is concerned.
Anything that gives the ending cinematic where the Predator player holds aloft a bloody skull is a win for Predator. Successful detonation of bomb is also a victory, just not the desired one.
If any fireteam members survive the blast then I’d say that it’s a win for the fireteam. It’s definitely not a win for the predator since he’s dead.
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That’s like saying if I still have some pieces left on my chessboard when I’m put into checkmate it’s still a win for me. The game has rules, they are in the Extras and further reinforced by the conditions required to be counted towards Daily/Weekly Challenges.
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A lot of these responses presupposes that there are only two outcomes. And without a Pred daily about wins, we’ll never know. But why is the third possible outcome being ignored, the one where neither side wins.
They survived… They didn’t win. No mission, no body. No dice. And in all likelihood would probably die of radiation poisoning anyway…
It’s not “Survive the blast to win” for FT anymore than it’s “Survive the fire team boarding the chopper to win” for Pred.
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Fine, but when I play fireteam and I manage to escape the blast. I’m still gonna count that as a win for the fireteam lol.
I think that the bomb that kills nobody but the pred should be a “draw”. Also, I’ve seen games end where the clock runs out, and no FT were killed, the end cut scene just has some sad music while the camera pans into the sky… I think that’s a draw/ Both lose. Not sure though.
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THERE IS NO ROOM IN MY HEAD FOR YOUR HEAD CANON!!
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The fireteam had to kill the predator in order for him to arm his bomb in the first place. I don’t think it’s fair to say that the predator wins just because the fireteam didn’t know how to disarm the bomb.
Remember that look on Dutch’s face at the end of the movie, that’s not the face of somebody who feels like they won.
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A. Your first point. That does need to be patched I agree on that. But if your idea on a win condition is correct why was that there in the first place?
B. Your second point. I was talking about the pred prematurly detonation on purpose. Imaging if a pred bum rushed you, you second winded him, he then leapt on top of a warehouse, and then set his self destruct. You would literally lose 100% of FT games at that point.
C. Your second point. Thats completly exploitable. Take backwater. As long as I’m on top of a roff i’m invincable and can camp any OBJ I want. You second wind me? I use the medic perk to go right back to camping. You down me again? You lose. Every map has a point where the pred can reach and camp the OBJ, but the FT can’t reach so rip FT will lose.
The roofs of the huts in backwater, some buildings, A couple of sniper towers (one particulary on Overgrowth), the water tower by the train, the house by the creek in derailed, the rock by the huts in Overgrowth, the hoise across the giant relay, the church, your win condition is completly exploitable.
D. Your fourth point. You don’t counter my claim. You just talked about how to convert it into your idea.
E. Your fifth point. The OWLF were able to hide an alien spacecraft blasting through the ground of L.A as well as multuple eye witnesses of the Yautja. (Minimum one) I think an explosion in the middle of a south american jungle is perfectly explainable.
Dutch did win though lol. He outsmarted the predator with a trap and won the 1v1.
But it totally is fair to say that… They had a choice to disarm it or RUN. If they get out of the blast it shouldn’t count as a loss. Only the ones who died should register a loss, but we don’t even have a stats tracking system in place so it doesn’t really matter…
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He lost his team…and that’s where a lot of players on FT fuck up. They think it’s all about themselves, it’s either a win for the team or nobody wins.
He still survived though and the predator didn’t.
Yeah but one fireteam player can kill the predator by their self, securing the win for their team.
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