You can look at it as your victory because you survived however from an objective standpoint it’s more a draw because you didn’t secure the body but the predator didn’t kill all of you either so there’s that.
I just got banned from a steamer's chat for pointing out that a succesfull detonation = win for the pred..
But its completly exploitable.
Preds can do that. It’s pretty lame too… Sometimes it’s all the pred has as an option… Especially when the FT are gaining on him and he cant heal and hop off in time… But you’re right that needs to be addressed.
This is in reverse on Derailed when FT get up on the roofs and snipe the pred from accross the map. There is litterally nothing a pred can do against a good FT Premade in that situation. It’s shitty and needs to be fixed.
Not my win condition… It’s Illphonics… They made the rules, not me. I’m just pointing out why they are supported by the lore…
I’m not countering it so much as expanding on it. There needs to be a solid motivation for escaping the blast and surviving, because yeah… It’s stupid to count it as a loss either way.
I’m not sure the OWLF knew exactly where the ship was… Did they ever go over that in the tapes? As for the explosion being “explainable” sure, but if it were as easy as that, they could probably just bomb the site in the first place… Why even send dudes on the ground?
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There’s alot of exploits in this game… and too many glitches and imbalances to even remotely consider it for competitive play as it is. There’s still a ton of FT hiding under the ground through a terrain glitch, or on the garage doors in the wherehouse on derailed… Just sitting there waiting for the pred to get impatient enough to give them shots that can’t be returned… They don’t care if they “win” by the rules of the game… they’re there to grief and exploit.
I don’t see nearly as many preds pulling that shit.
I see where your comimg from. TBH theres WAY too many ways to exploit this for it to be Illfonics win condition. I think the daily challenges (which if I’m correct is how you came to this conclusion) aren’t valuable sources as
A. It could be a mistake or bug
B. It could of also of been done to make it a proper challenge. And not over in In 5 seconds
And to sound like a broken record, its SO EXPLOITABLE! FT win rate would literally drop down to 0 if that was the case.
It’s a win condition in the game, no debate form me there but frankly it doesn’t matter if I win. So to use the chess analogy, I’m giving the Predator a draw by not disarming their bomb not giving up my win, merely allowing my opponent honour in what would have been defeat had I choose to pursue it.
Story/game wise, I don’t have any motivation to capture their body and it adds nothing to my experience as a player, to play a mini game I don’t want to play.
If capturing the body provided me with ‘research points‘ or something to unlock stuff then I’d be interested in it. Right now, there’s nothing to make me want too.
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This is why I invented “halfsies”. A half-win, if you will. When a Predator self detonates (period, regardless of who is caught in the blast) or the FT escapes with casualties, that’s what I call a Predator/FT halfsie because at least 1 FT member survived and exfilled and/or the Predator’s corpse didn’t get claimed. When Predator claims all 4 FT members, he/she wins. When FT successfully exfils all 4 members or kills the Predator and claims the body, then the FT wins, hands down. If all players from both sides are killed by whatever means (self detonation, AI, etc) then its a draw.
Renforce and pred kills total of 7. Should be considered 25k vibranium
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That’s a bit high. I would give a bonus for 6, 7 or 8 kills though maybe a times modifier.
Nope… it will make games last longer.
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It will, I think it’s a good idea to reward the extra kills, just not that much. Pred que times will jump through the roof.
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It’s not a win for the fireteam. That is clear in the fact that you don’t get a win for the daily challenge. In my opinion, it’s a draw, because the predator’s goal is trophies, not just to kill. Even if you kill the fireteam with the bomb, you don’t get trophies and you’re dead.
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I dont think theres many people coming back. Literally most my friends play the first 2 days after patch and say trash game and move on. It is pretty trash
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They might not. I think these games take time and people lack patience for the wait. Without enjoyable things to grind it might lose quite a few players. That’s something that can change with the addition of more to strive for.
I don’t think it’s trash, but opinions are subjective.
Without new modes/maps, this game is dead in a few months tops. There will always be a few die hards hanging on to hope and those who genuinely enjoy the game for what it is, but they are not the majority.
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It’s not a win. You cannot sit there and tell me the Pred can win by getting second winded, jumping to the other side of the map and blowing up with no chance to disarm. If thats the case then I’ll start picking scout, shooting at my feet with the plasma caster and self detonating. That’s not a win, it’s arguably a tie.
The reason explosion is hated is because people will sit there and say “haha I press F, big boom happen, I win noob”. If anything it feels like a draw.
My opinion, and with how much the current meta favors the FT, W/L is as follows (FOR PC vs. PC!).
4 FT escape: Dominant FT win
3 FT escape: FT won, but barely.
2 FT escape: Tie / Predator barely won.
1 FT escapes: Predator wins. You killed near SEVEN busted, overpowered MF’ers.
0 FT escape: Predator is a BAMF.
Pred explodes with no chance to disarm: FT wins OR a tie.
Pred explodes with a chance to disarm, killing 1-2: Tie
Pred explodes with a chance to disarm, killing 3 or all: Pred Win (Though more on the FT being stupid)
Pred disarmed: FT win.
Now, with how shitty the current meta is for Pred, getting 1 or 2 FT members (explosion or not) is a win.
so killing the pred and taking the body should also give 25k veritanium
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I mean, I agree it doesn’t “feel” like a win. Something needs to be done to fix how it’s counted for sure.
I can see that, but there are lore reasons the pred uses the bomb, and laughs about it…
As reasonable as that seems, I doubt Illphonic would adjust how things are counted much… And there is the lore stuff as mentioned.
Look at how Predator the move ended… Dutch and Anna (not a target for Pred) escaped. He was beat to shit, his whole team killed. Pred is dead, and he was probably glad for it, but the cost was soo high I doubt he could enjoy any sense of “victory”.
But I agree with you on the varying degrees of win and loss/draw… I can tell you that some games I’ve played where one got away felt like a win, but some definately felt like a loss. The bomb going off and killing people always feels good, like a “Maybe I die… Maybe you die tooo”. But having them fail the disarm and getting wiped in the blast is definitely way more rewarding than if they get out of it.
I think thats the feeling the Devs are going for here. They want to give the FT a chance to survive, so even if they technically lost the match, they still don’t feel like total losers like they might if they got blowed up.
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Agreed with most. I think the Devs give the FT too much without balancing for their dedicated player base (Full PC FT vs. PC Predator).
Ultimately none of it “matters” as there has been no official tournament or ranking system, so head-cannon is truly whatever you want it to be.
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