Do you think our resident Qanon conspiracy theorist and fascist sympathizer is sat glued to the screen waiting for ‘The Plan’ to unfurl and the military, Q, JFK Jr, and Trump to swing into action and arrest Tom Hanks for eating children?
Really wish he hadn’t been banned. Was looking forward to his reactions.
Lemme ask ya…all honesty. Qanon crazy shit aside.
There was a lot of civil unrest at Trump’s inauguration. Property damage and assaults and the like. What happens if these FBI reports are correct and an assault does actually occur on the capitol.
More soldiers in Washington DC right now than Iraq and Afghanistan (still at war in the second one btw) combined. What happens if those troops engage and kill American citizens on Biden’s inauguration.
That really a good start for the President?
Of course not. I really hope there’s no violence. However, there is a credible threat that far-right militias may attempt something.
The vainglorious, moronic demagogue has left behind an incredibly divided country - a division he actively stocked the flames of. I think the US is going to have a serious domestic terrorism problem for the foreseeable future.
As opposed to the last 4 years? Hell the last year?
If Trump had taken the same precautions at his inauguration to prevent violence and unrest would you have seen it the same as today? To the point of actually vetting and dismissing soldiers currently stationed there to ensure they had no questionable loyalty?
I don’t really care who’s to blame in all honesty at this point. I’m deeply troubled by the steps taken to today. Particularly troubled the response to the capitol assault vs. the rampant riots all summer. Government had troops to protect the capitol there relatively quickly to prevent further escalation. Yet when it was people’s homes, businesses and livelihoods they justified it the whole time.
Way more concerned with the speed and ease the government protected itself as opposed to how little they did for the people they serve. Just my thoughts on the day.
As I understand it they removed from duty some troops that had ties to far-right, white supremacist organisations - that seems perfectly reasonable to me.
I don’t condone the rioting and destruction that took place in the name of BLM either, but I think there’s a difference between riots started due to the continued high percentage of black people being killed by Police, and an attempt to overthrow a legitimately elected democratic government instigated and egged on by a loosing candidate’s continued lies and deceit. There were people there who intended to capture and kill members of congress.
I’m sure people watching people being outed as communists during McCarthy witch hunt felt the same. It’s getting to the point where the line between Trump Supporter and White Supremacist and Domestic Terrorist are blurring real fast. That’s even scarier to me.
I don’t care about the difference between what started the riots I care about the responses to them and how easily people flip flop over them based on motive. Not everyone rioting was doing so to rage against injustice. You don’t take a hand cart to best buy and steal a washing machine in the name of stopping police brutality.
You also don’t take zip cuffs to protest a perceived unfair election. Yet one is demonized and the other is shrugged off. One is allowed to continue and the other is met with military force. One is treated as an insane reaction to lies and hysterical ramblings, the other as a natural reaction to perception of injustice allowed by the government.
Again the real, and disturbing difference is in the responses.
No comparison. The troops haven’t been black-listed, removed and made unemployable. They’re just not going to be involved in the security for the inauguration.
Think the Police response to the looting and riots was a lot harsher and more organized than the rather tepid treatment of the people who stormed congress.
I agree that there needs to be some consistency in attitudes to protests that turn violent, but again, I think an attempt to overthrow the democratic fabric of the nation and assassinate members of congress is a considerably more dangerous issue than the mindless riots and looting that were started in the name of BLM.
You think their fellow soldiers are gonna wanna serve with suspected white supremacists? You think if employers found out they wouldn’t maybe want to separate from them? Think there’s no possibility of backlash for those soldiers?
I think the coverage was different. Woman shot and killed for crossing a barrier vs. literally burning down a police station? Pepper spray and tear gas was used, just not exclaimed “chemical weapons” by the media? The same “chemical weapons” so condemned by activists and the media all summer to the point Police departments wrote policies forbidding them?
19 people died in those riots…I’m sure they might have a different perspective. I’m also pretty confident their families do as well.
The truth, plainly, is the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist is usually a matter of perception and history is in fact written by the winner when it’s never nearly as cut and dry as that.
From what I’ve heard, there were posts on social media from these troops that were sufficiently alarming that the army decided to remove them from duty for this day. Now, if you want to debate about ‘cancelling’ and accountability for ones comments/actions in the age of social media, then that’s a larger topic which I really don’t have the time to get into right now.
I’m not trying to lessen the importance of the riots, or the lives lost. I’m also sure all the families of the people who have lost their lives due to the incompetence and callousness of the Trump regime during the Covid epidemic have a certain perspective as well.
The fact is there was an attempted coup. Anyone involved in this or legitimizing this should expect some accountability coming their way. The fact that many Republicans still voted to not recognize Biden’s election and have not seen any push back tells me that the GOP/right aren’t really suffering all that much from supporting a wannabe dictator’s attempt to overthrow democracy.
Wow look at all these establishment war criminals in one place. Bush retroactively being considered a good president xdd
Thought crime
Trump’s people are not having a good day to say the least
This here is my point. None of this is accurate.
Dictators don’t attempt to overthrow democracy by rallying their supporters to storm the center of government. They use the military to demonstrate and exercise their authority (see DC right now. No I’m not calling Biden a dictator, but his inauguration looks a lot more like North Koreas than Trumps did).
Coups are militant, not civilian. The fact that were normalizing the ostracization of anyone questioning the election is authoritarian, not democratic. A swift, powerful and heavy show of force to protect the government from the people, compared to figuratively crickets in response to protecting the people from mobs says a lot.
All of that statement is sensationalized drivel. The fact of the matter remains true that a lot of things about the election don’t add up and nobody wants the questions answered because it means Trump might not be gone. Personally I don’t really care all that much but every one always says “there’s always fraud in every election” and nothing is done to change or correct it how do we keep it from getting worse? Not by ignoring it and condemning the people asking questions that’s for sure. The rioters and people of ill intent who attacked the capitol sure but what effort has been made to separate them from the majority of people who didn’t? Who peacefully protested what they felt was injustice. Not NEARLY enough, particularly compared to having to hear all summer that it was only a few “bad actors” during the riots and they were “mostly peaceful”.
It’s all bullshit and I’m sorry but I gotta call it like I see it. Nothing against you and your perspective but I feel you don’t even consider another side to the story.
The government is ran by the people yadda yadda.
Until the people get fed up with it, then they’re “insurrectionists” not protestors lol.
“Our precious temple noo stop your boomer photo op. go burn down your own cities go away”
The real question is who is going to be the enemy of talk show hosts now that they’re ratings will plummet with no orange man bad because everyone goes back to sleep and doesn’t watch the news until they’re told to be enraged at something.
Probably Putin. Or hound some elected guy in the middle east while they talk about how great China and Israel are.
The people are too soft to do shit in the event the government steps out of line
Trump will still be the enemy as will his followers
They won’t simply disappear after today or have a change of heart
Every single trump supporter is a white supremacist
Every single one
Think they’ll follow him forever for cheap drama like the kardashians? We’ll see.
Also lol jlo and lady gaga right now, guess they got invited into the holy democratic temple past the martial law military barrier. I’m waiting for dwayne the rock johnson’s cameo at this superbowl ritual. We need more popstars to appease the masses.
Trump is no longer protected
What do you think?
I think we’re going around in circles a little. I appreciate that you’ve wanted to discuss this reasonably - something which is lacking in much online discourse, but I don’t think we’re going to significantly change each other’s minds on the important issues (though I think we do probably agree on certain things).
So with that said, I’ll keep this brief: Authoriatrains and Dictators absolutely do rile up supporters to storm government buildings, The military build-up around DC is due to the fact Congress was stormed a few days ago by a mob hunting for politicians to string up from make-shift gallows, and there was never any legitimate evidence of massive widespread voter fraud - that was Trump’s concoction, aided and abetted by fringe fact-free rightwing media.
Lmao this is my favorite twitter meme. What country has ever had an unarmed insurrection overthrow the government lool? They’re going to capture them by hand, drag them all outside and execute them by hanging? What’s next? They’ll be drawn and quartered before the national guard arrives? What a great photo op for the presses - a gallows! Aren’t trump supporters all right wing white supremacist facists with assault rifles of mass destruction? Why not just shoot them like a proper facist overturning of democracy instead of an “unarmed insurrection” which is just a protest by any other name. Claiming territory in Seattle is an autonomous zone and kicking out the police isn’t an insurrection? Really? But its only an insurrection if you trespass government property and they’re forced to give a shit and all go hide in their bunkers during boomer photo tour? Then its a problem?
Fair enough. I ultimately agree and respect that. My goal in this particular instance though is really simple and I’d ask one thing before I agree to end the discussion.
How is “right wing media” any more or less culpable in the events of the capitol building than any other media source responsible for the riots over the summer?
Also look at all Joe’s black friends! And popstars! Very down to earth horse and pony show. Kindly cease rioting!
If this doesn’t work we’ll have to foot the bill for Beyonce
