if your wondering it got closed because Kass had a policy of no necro threads that are prior to current patch
Just Suggestions part 2 electric boogaloo
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This just in
Berserkers passive is increased health
Stats aren’t passives
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What
FT had amazing DPS regardless of build. Regardless using stealth gives you extra time that you need by allowing you to get better angles and avoid damage.
No it won’t. They’ll just go WTF why can’t I use other weapons.
But why?
Maybe the disc but why have two weapons that do the same thing. It’s like overkill in cod except worse.
But why?
And that’s where the netgun brings in it’s utility. You sacrifice damage for CC that even the beartrap can’t provide. It’s a pro and con that isn’t possible with gear.
Wrong.
Your saying this happened to the other side therefore it should happen to this side
Your making the SAME change for the sake of being the SAME
That’s different to making changes BASED on the other side for actually balance.
And if your any other class your incentivised to stay close to your team so they can punish the predator when he attacks you.
And if your FT your incentivised to gun down the predator on sight
So stick to corners that are near your FT and shoot the pred and spam spot just like every other class.
You are not incentivised to finish the OBJ.
And stealth is far more useful as an offensive tool
In ways that mean shit all
It’s like playing cod with an smg instead of an assault rifle.
Okay I can’t speak for night maps but foliage doesn’t matter either as just sticking in foliage is only useful during reinforcements.
different class which is a choice you have to make
i have had plenty of games where when your not building damage and a predator 1v1’s you with a bow or plasma caster where if you didn’t build damage or hp you are not winning that fight unless your fucking samehein
don’t care again it’s better for other players
being able to bring more weapons that actually fill the purpose of a weapon for variety sake is always good most people don’/t take the netgun anyway because it’s not a weapon it generally doesn’t help kill unless your in a situation where you already won (1v1)
not true the bear trap literally holds fireteam in place and they can’t fire behind them they serve the same purpose of CCing both can be destroyed mid flight as well cause you can destroy nets with gunfire before they hit you
yes that’s called consistency something that is important when you make balance changes
not true example isabella or anyone with the height advantage spec
no because spots overlap taking away the duration that recon has 2nd you want high hp classes or damage oriented classes to get as close as possible to the predator generally cause that’s where the highest damage output is and so the predator doesn’t deal with classes that possess this kind of utility
yes you are if the ropes come down the predator will typically lose with nothing he can do besides toss BT at the ropes which the ft can just destroy from out of sight then so long as the FT has more than 100hp he gets the ropes nothing can be done
you are just wrong unless someone is already aware of your presence if you are hiding in foilage with mud predator isn’t just going to fucking lazer focus you like he has some kind of radar it’s the whole point of camo in real life cause it becomes difficult for our very eyes to push out the visual noise to focus on something when everything is the same blur of colours
This is relevant how?
Remember the context is, zerk having more health isn’t a passive.
A. This game is 1V4 you don’t need to win 1V1’s because that’s overkill.
B. Personal experience
C. As you admit you can 1V1 a pred without damage if your good enough.
No it’s not, it’s needless limitation that won’t help because those people who do it are either meming (and likely good) or potatoes who won’t do anything even with this change. It does nothing, but limits the potential for meme builds. It’s a small con but a small con outweighs no pros.
Wow now I can use this ranged projectile instead of this ranged projectile
That’s still true as a gear piece.
Except for the part where bear traps are insanely easy to spot, and are only useful if you throw them on top of some one which is far more limiting then the net gun even with the fact it’sdestroyed by gunfire mid air. Don’t forget the rapid fire ability of the netgun to correct mistakes and higher volume of ammunition
Wrong. Every situation is case by case. Anything to suggest otherwise is ignorant of life.
Which leaves you separated giving the pred an advantage by making for an easy target.
Fine have the recon only spot
Wow such thrilling gameplay
It doesn’t add any more variety.
And you’ll want the rest of the squad with them to provide extra damage and back up
He’ll do that anyways.
This is stupid. You complete ignored the context of your own argument. You are not incentivised to build dutch 2025 around a playstyle that rushes the OBJ.
Better now?
Ya but why would you do that unless your trying to get to reinforcements? Your better off actually progressing the game like doing OBJ or shooting the pred.
In real life we don’t have health bars.
picking a class is a thing you ahve to do
this conversation did have a large cap so i’ll excuse you for not remembering
doesn’t contest with my argument at all so it goes in the garbage
again don’t care it harms the experience of other players
and nets can be broken in less than a second with the right trigger finger they are both gear items they are both not good as weapons
and now were back to here cause with that argument you should just make one side hilarious overpowerd compared to the other cause consistency doesn’t matter
please read
just being a contrarian
see above
and if he does that the high damage people shoot him it’s called making decisions
again yes you are he has mud and accuracy passives he has overseer (which is his best spec which is literally the only other obj based spec in the game) he has high hp allowing him to easily deal with large group of ai’s while the rest of the less hp individuals can focus on the predator dutch even has the lesser advantage of having quiet voice lines
correct this is my arguement for why building around stealth is only useful for the obj
No, this is not relevant. This is about how whether or not certain stat bonuses are passives.
Picking a class is not relevant to the conversation because that doesn’t support any of our points.
So what if you have to pick a class, how does that make extra melee damage a passive?
This has to be a troll.
A. Fuck you
B. Yes it does. The FT doesn’t need extreme dps so sacrificing dps for utility is better.
No it doesn’t
No they’re not
And can immediately be reapplied at melee range
Ah yes, I totally won’t notice the dude with giant sniper rifle shooting me dispite how loud they are even with suppressors.
If I’m getting shot I know where you are.
That’s not contradicting each other. You can spot the pred, then immediately shoot them…
You know that right?
Meaning the support characters can help push with the attackers.
Which can be used against the predator offensively if stealth was any good.
Accuracy pasisves is obj focused? You don’t need Accuracy to do obj you need Accuracy to kill the predator
He also has deadly and overwatch which increases his damage against the pred.
2 against 1
Also yes overseer is useful for tanking against the pred.
Lol. Imagine needing high HP to deal with A.I
His hp is useful for tanking predator shots.
Stealth isn’t useful, therefore use stealth to do obj are you paying attention?
I’m saying you can’t use stealth to do the obj. You just completely ignored that and my argument to twist it to your own point
it is relevent as the way passives work in commen parlence it reference to gaming a passive is an effect that takes place to a player that is outside of the players control as dictaed by the devlopers
therefore when you select a class that is a choice made by said player the passive increase in melee damage which is not a normal stat for other classes makes it outside of the player control as dictated by the devs and is therefore a passive
yes they do not everyone has 90+% accuracy the higher your dps the more likely you are going to kill the predator with less shots landed/faster if you are accurate while the predator does not have to land direct hits and in some cases has to land less hits than you aka if you have a SAWZ and trade hits with a predator plasma caster you might literally be dead for it because plasma caster does 120+ damage
again contrarian position
if a player is making a choice to perform worse regardless of reason or ignorance you are harming other players experience example every mmo ever who kicks people for not having correct talents/game knowledge
yes they are they both fill and compete for the same outcome that is CCing the opponent the net gun is not used to score kills/downs via damage output one could argue for example the wrist launcher should be a weapon not a gear item because of this and i woudl agree
as literally all other weapons on the list of weapons are used for that primary purpose of killing the fireteam without needing additional weapons (wrist blades attached to netgun)
and a ft can instantly knife out of nets to prevent wrist blade follow-ups
you know the direction i didn’t know you had a fucking radar as the predator and can pinpoint exact co-ords
- opposing or rejecting popular opinion; going against current practice.
“the comment came more from a contrarian disposition than moral conviction”
defined
correct that is the goal of support plays to help other members on the team thanks for agreeing
correct stealth isn’t useful for fighting the predator it is really good at doing objectives and other pve content
when it’s hipfire which is never useful against a pvp opponet due to randomness yes yes it is cause you can use the extra FOV you have from not ADSing to notice background actions that could include predator movement
you are not picking dutch 2025 for damage specs don’t be trolling/ Needless contrarian
both of these statements are true?
you explicitly can use stealth to complete objectives when i played fireteam exclusively for over a month last year i did mostly stealth oriented builds and won 9/10 matches simply cause i could do the obj while my team did other things (i was not premade solo que exclusively) in most of these matches i had less than 100 pred damage) as i only shot the pred in cloak to mark for team
A. Your argument is still irrevalent. Why? Because it’s fucking obvious that you have to pick a class dude.
And no melee damage is a stat same as any other.
Skill issue
No literally land your shots. The design of the game is not warped around you being bad.
A. Conjecture
B. Fuck you again
Kicking players is a massively abused mechanic and is always cancer. You get paired with some one who isn’t good tough shit, ask for better matchmaking.
So? Not everything is one note.
No it’s called paying attention
I like how you hold this as a win
A. This only proves my point that the classes don’t play different because the playstyle is exactly the same.
B. You were originally saying Supports shouldn’t be pushing with the attackers. Your contradicting yourself moron.
No it’s not. Stealth sucks ass all around. You can’t stay stealthy during OBJ’s. You could use stealth to sneak up on the pred though.
Or you could just…
You know
Kill the A.I?
Also that only supports an anti pred playstyle since it allows you to spot the pred and start shooting him.
Who fucking uses overseer?
You keep throwing the contrarian around with no proof asshole. Anyone who doesn’t see things my way is immediately 10,000 labels.
A.I deal shit damage, ignoring basic use of cover.
Good for you
Want a cookie?
Winning isn’t prove of strength. Especially in this God forsaken game.
Besides you honestly expect me to believe that you consistent solo qued with survivors who also played stealthy and didn’t ruin your cover?
Or was it just the fact that you didn’t get shot while doing OBJ? Because I’d chalk that up to not shooting the pred.
again contrarian i am literally correct sorry you make a choice when you pick different classes if they have a hidden modifier dictated by the devs that is outside of your choice or knowledge that is a passive increase
correct but it is unrealistic that all players will hit challenger in every video game therefore
once again you are being contrarian
no i have all the information on my side in many of these points that you bring up i am correct or we are both correct yet you continue to argue for the sake of being a contrarian
don’t care
if a thing fills a role and does not serve any other purpose it is in fact one note
contrarian position in the scramble of a fight it is unrealistic to 100% of the time be line into a target player or even have the capability to due so before they move to another position especially when outnumbered
you are at this point ignoring the actual game being played and are playing a different game than the rest of us
yes you can try it it’s not hard
plenty of people probably use overseer cause it’s free healing in some cases you can heal for over 90hp in just a few seconds during a fight agains the predator that is invaluble considering the heal is instantanous
and i’m throwing the word contrarian specifically cause it fits this behavior you are exhibiting as you are disagreeing with me for no reason other than you view my idea as incorrect when we are again either both correct or i am actually correct i have used no other labels while you have insulted me and my intelligence which is an ad homonym lets not play word games
yeah in all of these games i didn’t have a group attempting stealth and if a player isn’t being noticed or shot at by the predator they are by definition using stealth in some cases i even ran away from my team to separate myself from them ahead of time when objectives were timer oriented and i didn’t need to be there to headstart and finish other objectives ahead of time without predator interference i also reinforced every single one of those games as far as i remember and got ropes and exfiled typically only getting hit by the predator a single time during the channeling of the rope
by definition i was using stealth gameplay whether you like it or not
that’s an easy block @OldKingHamlet get rid of this
i do not want it in my thread
this thread is about feedback of the current game and i only want (relatively) civil discussions about it
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Narc.
Gonna be honest, I agree with Kameo. Even though this thread is full of novel long entries from these two guys, at least they’re having game related constructive conversations. You coming in and posting a highly inappropriate image for little reason to no reason is very annoying, such as one of my threads that you also did. Which is unfortunate as seeing your intellectual conversations about the game with OKH was interesting and seems you can have alot to add in these conversations…even if its just shitting on the game which Illfonic deserves right now.
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No it’s not
Passives are mechanical changes to a character that happen automatically
Not hidden buffs.
By your logic FT doesn’t have passives because they’re shown
Me telling you to get good at the game is being a contrarian…
Fuck off idiot
Sorry, the demons inside me made me do it.
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So one thing I think the thread needs is a review and reform as some of these points are addressed and thus showing their age. Not to mention that there are some questions that are open for no reason. Such as:
Pig cancellation is available now so its time to change that to a reformed sentence.
Also outdated as its been buffed.
One example of too open question. Not much of a suggestion with more substantial info behind it to elicit as proper feedback but just a question. Better to explain at least why for them to see the comparison.
But also to add my two cents into that, its only bad because the pistols are too powerful. Lower that significantly and then increase shotguns spread and power slightly, perhaps by 5%, so then it becomes more useful as a Stargazer room cleaner and keep away for Predator.
Overall, all great starters for discussion but just needs more dusting off due to outdated ideas/meta.
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They’ll never listen to you. They’re too millenial to do their job right
Because I know I’m right and I don’t give a shit if people would agree with me or not. If I’m going to be ignored then atleast I’ll give them a pathetic reason to do so because I proved them wrong. And I know I’m not the only one
the problem is i truely don’t know what you would do to make shotguns viable as they are intended to be some kind of close quarter weapon but they are inferior to handguns knives and even some SMG’s
for them to be “viable” at least in the current game you’d need them to actually have like 800dps from 5ishm and around 500dps from up to 10m
which in my head sounds absurd
no cause now we go back to an earlier point where ft passives are passives because they are increases in stats that other classes do not have listed IE support passive is a damage resistance aura no other class has aura of any kind therfore it’s a passive stats are shared by all classes such as HP
when your central point is every player should purchase high end equipment (high refresh rate monitors a mouse and keyboard etc…) and get years of FPS experiance to be able to achieve a high enough accuracy so that they can not build for damage or HP
yes yes you are because that is absurd when the point of stat increase perks is to round out shortcomings or to specialize into a single purpose
the Ad hom’s continue
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