Kinda feel that Support should get less over all use of their gears

[Lazycollinator]

Lol brb gonna add this to my superpost

[Lazycollinator]

What do you guys think about the stamina being reversed as well? or is that a bridge too far.

Having the slower classes have more stamina, so that the faster classes, are faster in bursts, whilst the slower classes, are faster in the sense that they are persistant)

[SammyToeJr]

I think it should make sense for the role support the guy is easyly carrying like 200 pounds of random shit he should feel slow and out of breath all the time. but scout is like in a T-shirt he should feel like a Olympic Athlete on crack

[Crennos]

I kinda disagree with the perk/gear suggestion there. The reason being is that you naturally have higher health as a Support but if you get a good perk allotment you can run Thick Skin and OWLF Training and that would make it very difficult to kill a support. Throw in Heavy Hitter or potential Yautja’s Bane and you have a pretty OP composition there. That would be a big problem. I ran that in the trial and literally straight 1v1’d Predators consistently. Granted that was without the parry nerf.

However I do like and respect the argument you made for that proposition. I can’t say that I hate the prospect of that honestly. And I absolutely agree with the Berserker bit there. They could have pretty much every item and still not cap out on gear. It is a little ridiculous.

[SammyToeJr]

i but i also feel that the more gear you take the slower you are

[Lazycollinator]

Yeah, keep in mind most of my arguments are on the basis that things like that will be handled.

See my Super post here:

LazyC's Balance Rework Guide (Updated, But still WIP)

I have been hard at work, working out ideas for how to make this game perfect, for both predator and fireteam members. But first lets make a few things clear. For one, I dont crunch numbers. I have no intention of doing the math for the dev team. That is their job. However, I have taken it upon myself to create a vision for the perfect predator game, that mixes balance, in every respect. I wont give just one idea per topic discussed in every scenario. For certain things, I will give not only mul…

[Crennos]

The stamina bit I think is ok as it is. Faster classes do need to rely on mobility since they have lower health and taking that away there would be no reason to play them because they would be slow, squishy and incapable of disengaging from a fight.

[Crennos]

Perhaps as a substitute like the Berserker has more stamina for melee but the leap takes more stamina and on the Fireteam side the Recon or Scout run faster but only get like one parry before exhaustion.

Edit:

Or a shorter leap distanxe

[Lazycollinator]

@Lazycollinator

Perks

• I personally think the whole perk system needs to be reworked. I think any perk that messes with damage, aka Fearless, Flesh Ripper, Down Range, And Yautja’s bane, Have no place whatsoever in the game, and Need to be completely removed so that all weapons can be balanced and not have to consider these. On the flip side, so should (OWLF training, body armor, and all of the health buffing perks)
  • I think all of the other perks need another looking at, to see whether or not they should exist.
  • Perks should be revisited on their effects, some are outright nonexistant.
  • Perk costs need to be rebalanced all around.

Here is the specific thing im referring to.

[Lazycollinator]

Those would be nice changes, but would require a total rework of a foundation level system, it would take far too much time and resources most likely unfortunately.

Edit

But I do agree, with the lack of health, the faster classes do need to be more mobile.

[Lazycollinator]

Same as my response to crennos.

[Crennos]

Hmmmm. I’m not sure what my feelings are on that to be honest. On one hand it could make the perks seem a bit lackluster but on another it could force more complexity and diversity with load outs and such.

[Lazycollinator]

Perks will never be diverse when such perks exist. Everyone will run the perks that directly affect damage or damage resistance in almost every scenario.

[Lazycollinator]

Unless they are running a meme build because they are bored

[Crennos]

Fair enough. But perhaps there could be some measure of sacrifice implemented with this which forces them to make substantial sacrifices in order to get these perks.

[Lazycollinator]

The problem with that is, once again. Everyone will run these perks. So the real sacrifice is if you arent running them because it can put you at a significant disadvantage

Edit.

Theres no real way to prevent this from being the case, other than removing the perks outright

The perk of that, is that these perks will no longer need to be considered when balancing the game. Making it much easier for the devs, and much simpler for the playerbase.

[Crennos]

Perhaps they cost a lot more perk slots so it limits how much they can do with their build or cons to these perks such as reduced resistance to melee for Heavy Hitter or something similar. Make it a trade off

[Crennos]

Could even be like, “Oh you have OWLF Training? Now you get one less gear point or it makes you slower or something.”

Edit:

Increased damage from AI, etc

[Lazycollinator]

A good example is yautjas bane. That one is a huge one, and with a full team running it, its oppressive.

So no matter what other perks exist. They will always be shoved to the wayside, because objectively, you dont need to stay mudded up for longer times, when you can melt pred. ( just an example.)

[Crennos]

But with Yautja’s Bane you could easily be like, “Ok. Increased damage, fine. Increased damage against you too.” Force you become a glass cannon so you have to be a lot more skilled to pull it off in any real measure.