Predator: Hunting Grounds, Stat Values & Guide (Archive)

#315

Yea it would be nice to counter sniper with something other than disc.

Giving the predator a burner sniper variant would work for me. It over heats and has to recharge after 3 shots however; 2 shots can down support and 1 shot puts all weaker classes to 10% health.

And/or

A plasma burner auto rifle that leaves electric aoe damage on the ground. The damage would be minimal but if a pesky sniper is hit, his vision is blurred long enough for predator to engage other FT without being zapped.

Bonus idea ;) ohhh u got me started jelly boy 👦

-Plasma shotgun with no damage drop off at range, causes disorientation also…

-plasma emp launcher disorientation and temporary disabled rifle optics. Disable uav and grenade throw distance

-falcon drone from predators that can select a single FT (like an annoying sniper) and tazer him knocking him to downed but doesn’t count towards regular downs to die.

-spear gun from Avp games (would make bow useless) it has no bullet drop

#316

Is the net gun affected in any way by the downrange perk?

#317

No

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#318

Even if it was, it would be such a negligible difference in actual damage output.

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#319

Agreed

Damage bonus perks/specializations are a balance nightmare because they are percentage based, which is ridiculous as it makes powerful weapons extremely powerful while not making a significant difference on weaker weapons.

Example:

10 + 20% = 12 (difference of 2)
100 + 20% = 120 (difference of 20)

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#320

That’s a good point. Seems like a weapon balance problem, but it would only further exacerbate underlining balance.

Sadly, I just don’t see balance ever getting much better. They rarely make changes, maybe 2 - 3 balance changes a year back in the day, then they make extreme, and/or unnecessary, nerfs and buffs. It’s like they lack a clear vision of how they want the gameplay to unfold.

I’m still extremely baffled by the nerfs to the qr4, grow, arw, goslr, and Norse Hammer. I’ve never heard of anyone complaining about these weapons. Do they even realize that the Hammerhead and Mercenary have about double the range of other assault rifles and a grande launcher attached to the gun? Do they understand that the Sawz50 knocks a predator’s mask off with only two hits? The Hammer is once again inferior in every way to the Axe, but the Hammer is now worse than basically every other melee weapon.

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#321

They are retardds

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#322

There were no nerfs to those weapons. There was a buff to Pred armor. And it affects all weapons, including HH and Mercenary. The damage remains the same against AI. This is why I have repeatedly told you, you can’t base damage stats for a weapon based on Pred damage alone. I get it, from a practical stand point, that’s what we are mostly interested. But right now with AI being a pest more than ever, lowering the actual damage of FT weapons would not be a good thing.

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#323

As for this weapon, the changes are just weird. They lowered the damage but also lowered the FT “armor” for that damage type. If my math is correct the changes weren’t that significant and remain pretty much the same. This weapon has never been good to begin with.

#324

damage type as in there are different categories for melee weapons?
Like eldersword being a blade vs Warhammer is a bludgeoning?
Cause i would never have thought that illfonic would separate melee weapons in categories at all

figured they’d all just be “Melee Damage” With affix’s like Katana/Axe have bleed and warhammer and war club have disorient

#325

Yes. There are several damage types

Blade
Piercing
Bludgeoning
Bullet small caliber
Bullet High Caliber
Small Plasma

Those are the ones I remember from the top of my head

Armor varies, FT to FT is usually 50% damage reduction (for clash and FF), AI to FT is like 15% damage reduction (or intake, can’t remember, or maybe it was for pred?, need to look, but you get the idea

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#326

that seems like it’s needlessly complicated to make adjustments that way vs just addjusting the problem weapon

But idk i’m not a game designer

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#327

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Not all damage types have armor though, but yeah,. agreed, complicated as fuck

#328

Because like… IF let’s say in some magic world Axe is doing too much damage and it’s a blade weapon type So they make it so FT have increased “BLade” dmg resistance which would then also Nerf Eldersword and Alpha sickle along with The problem weapon being Axe When Elder sword and alpha sickle are not problem weapons

Like why the fuck would you balance this way?

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#329

You can increase/decrease damage dealt by a single weapon

You can decrease/increase damage inflicted by a damage type

So damage of a weapon is determined by the product of those two

Why? Because is their practical way of “balancing” 3 factions. Have AI use the same weapons as FT but basically tickle the pred while hurting the FT. Have FT hurt the AI and the Pred, but not each other with FF or Clash. Is a complicated system, indeed, but I understand the logic behind it.

#330

I guess the theory is there that works? but the decision making there for when to adjust “Armor” vs “Damage type” Vs “Weapon” would need to be much more informed i suppose for it to work right

Which i guess makes sense when illfonic themselves don’t really play this game much to know why a change should be made
Only that some change should be made

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#331

This is definitely part of the problem. Same with different “armor” values for scout, hunter, and city hunter, then they seemed to have abandoned that completely in favor of just straight health values.

#332

I think they are making a comeback to that. At least on last patch they modified limb vs body damage, which is something that should have been there since day 1

#333

That’s the problem with trusting Illfonic’s messy code. I don’t have to concern myself with the math. I can straight up see the damage.

2.5 update
Axe and Hammer got the heavy damage nerfed from 100 >>> 60 and 89 >>> 60 respectively.

3.0 update
The Axe and Hammer both got their basic attacks nerfed and the Hammer heavy damage got further nerfed from 60 >>> 49 damage.

It doesn’t matter what the code says, the numbers in game are the effective output, and that’s all you need to know how it will perform.

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#334

Again, it just doesn’t matter what the code says, relative to the other options, these’ll those weapons do less damage to the predator.

Unless they are somehow much more effective with AI, they’re “effectively nerfed” from a gameplay perspective. Not to mention, most of the AI my teammates and I kill is done with heavy knife attacks, so predator damage is really the only factor when determining which weapon to bring.

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