Ok I get what you are saying and I agree with that. That is why I don’t like roof slamming, never claimed that I did and I don’t really wanna defend it but it is exceedingly frustrating dealing with a good camping Fireteam OR a Fireteam hiding under the building in the southern outpost on Derailed where you literally can’t get underneath to punish them or even fire at them. So until we have better tools for that job that make sense and they patch those holes… we have limitted options
Slam blast goes through buildings.
Do you suffer from MPD?
You have been calling slam a bug for over 30 mins…
Holy shit Crennos I’m blocking you.
You have literally trolled yourself 360 degrees to be arguing for the point you started to troll against.
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I still hold onto the opinion that AoE going through objects is intended because it is consistent with the tech.
Could it be consistently wrong? Yes of course. But I think it is more likely that it is not, as there are about 5 or 6 weapon systems in the game that currently display this behavior.
To the argument about one guy going inside to interact with an objective and gets punished for no reason I offer that person is separated and not being covered by the team, which gives Predator a chance to begin chipping away at the FT. This is no different than if the FT had run off alone into the jungle.
I also understand the frustration that inexperienced FT may feel from this tactic. It is probably about as much fun as being combisticked down by a Berserker 45 seconds into the match. Maybe even less fun as a new player may not even understand what has happened.
My suggestion, should they choose to address this issue would be to limit the total damage the AoE would do to FT. Example:
1 FT = 100 damage
2 FT = 75 damage each
3-4 FT = 50 damage each
The AoE should always do full damage to objects (med kits, ammo, etc)
The AoE passing through objects would still exist and objects would not further reduce the damage delivered.
Even if you do not like my numbers, I hope you understand where my train of thought is.
Needless to say this tactic only punishes a FT that allows the Predator to punish them with it and in my opinion the FT has many ways to counter and punish this in return.
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I cant come up with a better suggestion lmao.
Its pretty decent.
@Crennos You get waaay too grossly immersed in the same topic sounds like. Random attacks and lol calling people compulsive liars and peices of shit you have some personal issues you need to sort out friend just because people have opinions on the internet.
Nope weird assumption. This was the part people typically agreed was an exploit and double slam patch was funny however not intended remove the stick from your ass. None of this is to be confused with AOE clipping through objects. But clutch your pearls and insist that they just haven’t patched it or mentioned it yet until your dying breath while attacking everyone on the subject matter for suggesting otherwise. Whatever floats your boat. Ice skating was patched forever ago. If anything it stays until pred gets some indoor weapons and ways to deal with people crouched under the bridge/docks then you can finally take a chill pill :D
That said its time for me to go fire my meme newly buffed handheld plasma caster THROUGH WALLS because thats how energy weapons FUNCTION. But I guess thats exploiting so time to go exploit lol
So much for your reading comprehension.
Once again you conflate standard hitting a target with clear line of fire on said target as being one and the same as hitting someone through a wall and you have made that comparison multiple times but still don’t have a good answer for when you get called out in and it and can’t possibly understand why anyone in any game, especially when they are clearly like this gentleman appears to be, could possibly feel wronged or cheated getting hit through walls. It’s like you have no capacity to even attempt to relate to others on even the most trivial and primitive level.
Yet i’m not the one randomly attacking people imagine that. Take a breath and go outside or something.
See me and you have argued about the roof slam and we have seen somewhat eye to eye on it but that’s not even what I responded to you on. I called you out for being asinine towards someone frustrated because they don’t understand and making a false equivalence.
You are consistently going after anyone that complains about the roof slam, most notably what appears to be new players, and not making a case for why it is somewhat necessary at this time but just being an asshole to them on it. If you don’t like being called out for that the simple solution… stop being an asshole to people who have a right to feel cheated.
I am sorry you disagree with my low TTK comparison on this video game forum.
Can you explain how TTK is the same as hitting through terrain?
Because the slam that hits through terrain renders the predator immobile and unable to use energy for 8 seconds assuming its a cooling syncs dunkmaster scout spamming thats all the rage to complain about. Syringe and walk outside? Or 1 person on your team of four people shoots it with an LMG and it secondwinds/dies from barely a quarter of the magazine from a single person while rooted? Counterplay wahoo.
I didn’t ask for condescending meta that ignores every other facet of standard combat and focuses exclusively upon only the best case scenario possible for a given engagement where this was applied. I asked why TTK with an open line of fire is the same as hitting through walls for a new player.
I didnt realize looking at the building or being outside of it was magical best case scenario shit. Hell 2 of you can stand outside and spin up your miniguns. But anything thats not 4 people gathering veratanium inside is condescending meta shit lol.
You have a line of sight of the rooftop, basically anywhere but the tall warehouse and directly below the silos. You make it sound like people can’t hit the pred unless hes standing dead in the middle of the compound. Give them some credit before you get angry on their behalf.
New Fireteam has to learn not to stand on top of eachother, and not rush to revived downed players etc the same way new pred has to learn to not jump through the skylights in that lab or run into buildings and get shanked to death.
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Agreed. It’s an energy pulse, electromagnetic in nature so can pass through roofs and walls etc The problem is the amount of damage it does. Being an energy weapon, the further you are from the point of expression the less damage you should take and obstacles like walls and roofs would also cause a deduction (depending on their composition). For example, the satellite installations with those high silos would seriously hamper the effects but this would require some serious physics implementation, and that I imagine is a headfuck of epic proportions that maybe the Devs want to avoid going down that path.
Just a thought…
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The fact you uttered that displays a fundamental lack of comprehension to combat. Your whole premise revolves around this idea that any given engagement is as simple as just running it by the books affair where you have full control of every set of variables involved in an engagement. But that simply isn’t true, it is very much the case that theory doesn’t necessarily translate to practice. Anyone that has played more than five minutes of any shooter could tell that doesn’t translate and it often chaotic and hectic. Now that is not to suggest that you are without any semblance of control but seldom is it the case that any given firefight goes exactly by the numbers. Then again perhaps you are some pro league player that has achieved such vast expertise that it largely is the case for you against the vast majority of players but I rather doubt it.
For example I had a match the other night with some friends against a Scout. He was pretty fucking good but we were still tearing him up and it was kind of a back and forth. Good mobility and good shots and all that on both sides. Nonstop fire fights with this guy and one guy went into the building to grab an objective for what felt like a fraction of a second. He slammed on the roof and although me and the other guy left both reacted we didn’t have prior vision and were concentrated on covering different fields he had just been seen in and both lined up our sights but were ever slightly late to draw and he was able to escape from it relatively unscathed. Being a Scout player myself and recognizing his style much like my own it proved no small task to keep tabs of my friendlies, keep tabs on him with his mobility and good use of that, predicting his movements, adjusting myself accordingly and communicating as effectively as I could with my team. And I am not the best FPS player in the block and though I disliked how quick he was to abuse that I still acknowledged his substantial proficiency wherein you, on the other hand, are remarkably narcissistic and condescending about the concept, acting as if it was as simple and pointing and shooting and not just criticizing higher level players for their lacking of capitalizing on every fault of the Predator whether they realize it or not but extending that to sneakily condemning newer players for not instantly being on top of the entire scope of meta to be able to control every single engagement to nigh professional levels regardless of how skilled their opponent is.
See there is a key difference between us. When I am wrong I am willing to admit it and even if I still disagree with something, willing to give credence to the other side. When I was arguing with you and Deanimate and all them on that roof slam thread I eluded that I hadn’t encountered what you guys to claimed to have and to my fault I largely dismissed your shared experience as a result. However the moment I experienced the stuff you all spoke of I immediately owned up. I expressed that I still disagreed with the concept as a whole but recognized the circumstantial necessity of it. I have been wrong on a few things and when proven that way I didn’t make excuses, I owned up and admitted that I was wrong and in a couple cases even thanked the person that corrected me even whilst in the midst of heated argument.
You on the other hand refuse to even acknowledge that anyone has anyone’s arguments have any merit by and large and then you kinda pussyfoot around it, muddy the waters and make it everything but what it is. Like this:
No one is saying the leap smash is overpowered. No one is saying that new players shouldn’t learn to keep intervals wide enough to prevent substantial damage output to all four of them via leap smash. No one is making any of these arguments you are apparently attacking. Who are you arguing with? You are shadow boxing here. No one said a single thing of any of those issues or even the leap smash as a whole. You know this, you have read the posts and you know what the position and you make a conscious decisions to refuse to address what is being discussed and deflect to some other random shit no one is talking about. Hell some of what you mentioned isn’t even exclusive to leap smashing and has a large array of other implications and shit.
If you had address the actual substance of the OP with much of what I brought up here as well debating another fella here… we wouldn’t be having this conversation. In fact I would be backing you up to some extent on the necessity of the roof slam in the circumstances that I mentioned above while acknowledging why people could be reasonably upset by it and why we need alternative approaches implemented in the game for it. But instead of doing that, because it would mean that this isn’t a simple black and white issue where you would have to acknowledge that some people complaining have some logical reasons to be upset about it you chose o be condescending, deceptive and to bash people with valid complaints. And you continue to do so and that is why I continue to speak out against you on this. I am being as polite as I can to try to help you understand what I am talking about and what this new player is talking about so we can move past this tribalistic practice of just nonsensically bashing anyone that criticizes anything in regards to one side or another and actually have some productive dialogue that can help people get perspective and understand things and perhaps even help it steer it in a more positive direction rather than just get frustrated and quit and actually kill the game.
Jesus dude go to sleep
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And you know I guess that is just who you are. You are right by definition, even when someone goes out of their way to set aside their emotions and try to meet you on reasonable ground you have nothing but scorn for them challenging your views and your ego. And your word, so long as you continue to pride your ego over all else, has no weight.
Oh sweet summer child.
It’s a fair mechanic. Fire team shouldn’t be allowed to feel safe anywhere. Their job is to be hunted. If they choose to turtle in a building then they deserve to be roof slammed to death.