The Player Observation Thread
We were talking about HOOD using a soft advantage and it even being visible in his upload bratan.
I know how the accuracy work or the random spread deviation.
Yes the games are different mechanically, but the SAW is pretty much a copy paste of CS GO AWP, might even be somewhat compared to the CS 1.6 (this is when they nerfed AWP and introduced a wild spread deviation), the timings are different, RoF and all the jazz, but it is way more accurate here, other factors which include bigger player hitboxes and all kinds of other stuff. So realistically CS GO/2 is more comparable to how it shoots as a baseline, but it is different overall of course.
Not that this is what we were talking about.
This dot has a ton more value with quick scoping and timing shots in this game, not that important for noscopes, which at close range are pretty easy if you have good aim/timing.
Sure you can duck and noscope at longer range, but its just a flashy troll type of flex and you will be missing due to spread like you mentioned, so Itâs not really that much of an advantage in that case.
Also from what Iâm seeing the âexpertsâ here know much more about exploits, than the average player.
Plus some of them abuse them, since dev presence seem imaginary at this stage of the game (or kind of overall tbh).
And regarding hackusations, anyone can hackuse anyone⌠here the playerbase consists of a ton of very low skill cap players and many who are toxic/egocentric on top of that. Being console dominant is another factor. Good console aimers/players are pretty rare, the average Joe canât be saved even from aim assist versus mobile predsâŚ
Since game launch when I press gamescore for matches if I see console I pretty much know I will play a bot game, if I see PC I will expect deterrence or some premade to bully me/ actually train me get better at the game and understand it better.
Some people are clueless and when they are met with better players or have a hard match, they start assuming stupid shit⌠Tale old as time.
Having the general skill cap for the game so low is pretty sad too and kind of fundamental for gameplay and skill comparison, which leads to how many players perceive the gaming environment when the bar is set so low.
Constructive criticism was never formed about crosshairs for phg and instead demonized and attacked by people such as Fair Yautja which basically give incentive to use crosshairs on purpose to piss people off who have some type of cheater derangement syndrome
Could never decide amongst ourselves if crosshair actually affects gameplay because too many people say it does absolutely nothing
There is an outlet for using crosshair specifically for Predator do to aiming offsets and some reasoning for Fireteam due to scope inaccuracy
From my own testing I feel crosshairs are basically the creatine of fps and there are quite a bundle of things that can affirm crosshairs and discredit it, but itâs mostly because it reaches the point that who gives a fuck, the people who are strongly fanatically against it are insane
Reptilians among us actually has a dot on his screen when he played because I noticed accurate prefiring, dude is fucking ass and would never survive anyone mediocre as a predator and I know several people including myself who mess around with crosshairs but to hold it against them in some manor or major fashion, it does strike some red flags because it does attract tryhards on the low key
We will never have a legit conversation about this and itâs too late now, fuck it just use it to piss people off
Did you know it was actually a meme at first?
Oh wow, so they have not even properly developed some weapons or attachments :D:D:D
Thank you for putting the time and work! <3
The good news is holo is garbage anyway, everyone should know red dot is the top dog in fps gaming.
The more I know, the worse it gets.
I do notice some sort of inconsistency in Pred accuracy for sure :/
One other issue I recognize from time to time is noregs, most commonly seen vs AI, but not only.
Is that also a thing?!
No idea if it is netcode, server side calculations, the weapon or something to do with the game engine in itself.
Sometimes I get hit animations, sometimes not, sometimes I get hit markers, sometimes not.
Also with Pred and plasma pistol, occasionally it does no damage or does not show hit markers.
Like consistently âhitâ 2-3 shots without damage or markers.
CrazyâŚ
No idea what were you trying to say with the rest.
Beer are you native English speaker? Am I hitting a language barrier or something?
Some of your replies feel like decoding a cipher or all the context is between the lines and as if Iâve missed all the community lore (which I have). :D
Using overlay ch to ragebait someone does not sound sensible, sounds more like an excuse.
But getting to know the people here, I would not be surprised by the first at all. :D
Any gamer should recognize crosshair overlay as cheating, especially when obviously used to gain an unfair advantage. There is no discussion to be made.
There were few patches in BF2042 where they fucked up the attachments crosshair being centered and had wrong recoil animation placement. So when people found out they resorted to iron sights, not 3rd party soft, luckily the devs actually addressed and fixed it of course. :(
I get that this game is pretty much abandoned and community is left in anarchy. But that is no excuse.
CS 1.6 is to some extend in the same box, people there are modding the shit out of everything possible. Swarmed by fortnite and valorant kids.
Servers with aim assist plugins, hit reg fixers, crazy movement plugins, messing with stats.
Except there it is for the most part server side, so all the players have equal advantage of the implemented mechanics. So the better skilled/trained will have advantage to better utilize them.
Majority of the playerbase would not even recognize AWP noscope crosshair models as cheating (which I have the feeling you are saying), even though it obviously is, rightfully many of the cheater tests detect it too. And of course it is a client side modification that affects gameplay, not something entirely cosmetic.
The âjust have fun, this is not the world championshipâ is a classic argument, but it really holds no weight when we talk about fair play or sportsmanship.
I have a mixture of jargon from multiple aspects of the game
Holographic is good now I think
There is actually a plethora of things to consider for crosshair overlays, but also thank you lol
There are offsets within the character blueprint for predator and testing for using fireteam char whilst using the predator controller BP also inherits its aiming offsets for ads
Playing like this also inherits the offsets, I think I came across them within one of 2 predator bases or char bpâs
Cheating is such a rabbit hole here but itâs just meh, if anything I probably know the most of what crosshairs can do performance wise but there are more benefits for crosshairs for footage review and I believe at one point in time a player should actually explore crosshairs within their player growth to truly understand what the raw capabilities of both predator and fireteam are capable of
I have several projects I had started with field testing like I tried to do with this
Which I wanted to show both maximized usage with crosshair as fireteam and without to show proof of practically and relatability like I did here
If anything Iâm just indifferent at this point, as far as lore itâs mostly behind closed doors but when I was somewhat barley deep diving into the game I was actually accused of using crosshairs when I wasnât actually using them by someone who ended up getting their Twitch and YouTube nuked
There is kind of a discussion to be had because youâre not actually going to prevent people from using overlays as custom crosshairs are wildly accepted in FPS which breeds the wall pros and cons and reasons to use it versus reasons to not use it, Ima bring it up again and say that no one really cares and itâs too late and youâll actually find that overlays are the middle ground but to say it gives an advantage is native to the actual person using it and who they are underneath hence why I said itâs basically creatine
If you would like the subject is actually quite dense and would actually require an entire thread but it would be somewhat of a lengthy eyesore even when not in long form, I think just because of my personal history with testing things and the exchanges Iâve had thus far I just canât take crosshair aggressions seriously but am more than willing to hear arguments about them as I actually searched more than a few times for discussions about them myself such as the epic games x fornite crosshair ban
Note: I am still an observer to others usage of this as well
Just ran into âLow_Mercy_Fluffyâ.
He got approximately 0 damage & RQ before the match ended.
I only saw him shooting Impact grenades or failing to pull out the minigun in time b4 I killed him.
InterestingâŚ
Thanks for the in depth reply good sir!
Your memes and montages are top notch btw :D
I get where you come from.
Whats funny is I can actually tell from your crosshair video comparison, that you were way more comfortable and used to the default. You seemed to use the overlay mostly in attempts to land hard noscopes while mostly strafing. As in you expected most impact would have been felt there. Not in this game. Try it in AvP2 noscoping :D::D:D few years back unless I duel a good player that strafes, aware of me aiming at him I pretty much did not need scope even at +100 meters. Canât imagine using an overlay at that time, would be disgusting. :D
I can see few shots that you actually had use of it with the micro play behind that. As you hinted towards pre aiming, hit calculation/timing earlier.
Yes for sure in the right hands it can either be useless/innocent or get crazy.
But objectively not given by game developers crosshair for some weapons and using 3rd party to get around that is gaining personal advantage/cheating, so speaking against that is perfectly understandable.
I think youâre mixing up custom crosshairs with overlay for weapons without crosshairs.
Technically yes, custom crosshairs do enhance the gameplay native to player, but without actually changing the games default concept or mechanics.
Interesting topic would be predator weapons with custom cross, I feel like there will be way more benefits tbh. :D
To get what I mean, maybe look at this for example, I can use that, but choose not to, since I know I will gain unfair advantage/awareness on top of sounds queues and after getting used to utilizing it will transition to some sick pre aiming accuracy or positional awareness.
I donât play with sound anymore and losing mask as pred is a death sentence, but I will still not use that :D
Anyway you are 100% right it is a pointless topic to gnaw on, especially for this game.
Have a good one brother man! :)
Got him and dirty1 the other day. Didnât notice them at all besides the names. Maybe itâs like âfazeâ where every idiot just pretends to be in a super cool kids klub
RAZDUPLYATOR is such a moronđ
Raz and tabutus full pc death squad failed to kill me both times we met, razâs ego solely relies on having his 4 man death squad. Told tabutu Iâm waiting for raz to try to solo chase so I could give him a 3 shoe beating. His ego is off the charts in the timeliness.
Omg, droid saying that this dude is using walls too lmao
I donât believe heâs using hacks, I believe heâs probably rocking potato graphics and has a good headset, I was able to heal pretty easy around him two matches in a row, just wish he wouldâve chased. He loves his scout duelist but wouldnât chase me.
LMAO
Bruh the guy has walked straight past me sometimes when Iâve been cloaked nearby him & he was getting cocky trying to chase. Definitely not wall-hacking.
That droid guy is just a mega moron tho
He literally does the same thing every game. Tries to chase the Pred, misses every bullet, so mashes knife & tries to walk around the Pred in a circle while mashing knife.
Heâs also walked straight past me while Iâve been cloaked nearby him several times like I said above. I donât even get how someone couldâve accused him of being a wallhacker.
Using any form of third-party or manual crosshairâwhether itâs via software, monitor settings, or drawing on the screenâis cheating. It gives a clear gameplay advantage, which is exactly why people use it. The devs intentionally did not place a static crosshair for all weapons or during hip-fire for a reason. Adding one bypasses that design choice and alters the game mechanics in your favor, which fits the very definition of cheating. Just because itâs not as blatant as wallhacks or aimbots doesnât make it any less illegitimate. Trying to justify it doesnât change the factâitâs cheating, period.
Now go fuck yourself hypocrite.
i think you misunderstand how cheating in a video game works. putting a dot on your screen is very different to automatically locking on to opponents heads, shooting through walls, and knowing where everyone is at all times.
your basically saying that putting a laser sight on a gun is âcheating.â
You just repeated what I said and still missed the point.
Yes, aimbots and wallhacks are stronger cheatsâbut that doesnât make smaller cheats suddenly okay. Putting a dot or crosshair on your screen is still cheating, because it gives you an unfair advantage the game does not give by design. Thatâs the definition of cheating.
You know exactly how the laser sight worksâyouâre just lying to make an excuse. The point only shows when firing and moves with the weapon. Itâs part of the game mechanics. It doesnât give a constant aiming point.
Just because itâs a smaller cheat doesnât make it ânot a cheat.â Stop pretending otherwise. Youâre not fooling anyone.
I didnât ask for the definition of cheating, I know very well the position crosshair overlays are in
However you specifically saying that is cheating is interesting đ