Oh I agree but technically it’s Star Wars
Who hates Star Wars
I’d be interested. Anything with militarized religion sounds good lol
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Prequels was not reboot
See that’s why no ones heard of it, no one dressed up for a book release, unless they did I dunno would be cool 😎
Ya I’m digging dune hope it dose well maybe remove the new trilogy of Star Wars out of my eyes
Oh gosh can’t deny
There’s a ton of factions and sub factions for everyone to enjoy. My personal fav are the Psi-Titans. There’s a tech religion which uses Titans (fuck off huge mechs and the biggest ones have cathedrals on them) and then there’s the Psi-Titans whose very presence causes dread on a planetary scale and eat demons and use the power of the warp (basically 40k hell) to heal themselves and use human psykers as batteries.
Fucking metal.
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Prequels were totally a reboot, I remember when I was a kid they even re-released the OT in theaters to get people back into star wars before Ep1 dropped. Don’t forget they changed the force to midichlorians, then back again lol
Yeah there’s 100% people dressing up like Dune characters. The 80s movie is on YouTube if you’re interested. Just make sure to search for the alternate edition redux, campy as fuck though.
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Thanks I will 😁
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Dune is horse shit. There is a reason the original never got its squeal and why the new one bomber hard at the box office.
Star-Trek is asscheeks. It has had no substance since season 2 of the original run.
The star-trek parodies do Star-Trek better than star-trek does star treck.
Star-Wars is so much more than just the movies.
But a normie wouldn’t understand
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Uh the original didn’t get a sequel because they had no intention of making one. You might not know this but back in the day people made movies without the intention of creating a cinematic universe or franchise. There’s a difference between substance and saturation. They also weren’t really trying to appeal to children exclusively like say Star Wars or SpongeBob.
As far as bombing goes, it’s already made over 100m and isn’t even released in the US yet… thats also just theater sales, considering its also airing on HBO, you should probably retract that statement lol
Yes, star wars is SO MUCH more. Theres… toys… and… and 40 year old man babies that cry in the theater. What a Fandom.
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Yeah I’ve seen that. Retardedly huge armors and shit lol
Man tbh I didn’t care to read half that statement just do to being rather stoned at the Moment.
So yes I understand the Golden age movies very well and that Universes were not a thing.
Was not talking about toys in the slightest.
I was more talking.
Video games, Books, Tv shows, special spin offs such as the Ewok Aventures and the two movies that followed. Comics books which yes I know star-trek has comics maybe even Dune.
But yes there is a toxic side to the Fandom as you described but the shoe fits both other fandoms so that doesn’t say much.
None of that really has any substance though. It’s all just pushing a product instead of anything deeper. Sure there’s a lot of it, but that actually decreases its value like anything else.
I think they realized after the ST and spin off movies that people were over Star Wars, which is why they’re doing like 20 shows on Disney+.
The only Fandom that mirrors star wars is honestly like my little pony and random anime. It’s the only time you see grown men revert to toddlers lol
I love dumbasses who think because you like one thing you can’t like another. And if you happen to like something someone else will demean you for it. Classic moron syndrome.
I like dumbasses who try to get in on good arguments just to bitch cuz no one else wants to talk to them.
Oh shit, was that the best you could respond with? Usually people try to mix in some facts to make their shit talk hit harder. Well you know what they say, if it doesn’t stick keep throwing shit at the wall until it does. Take your time, I’m sure you’ll come up with something relevant by accident eventually.
Ok
Death to them all!
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The OG Star Wars is a timeless classic that spawned an even better 2nd act and a “slightly” less good 3rd act. And then 3 pretty good prequels and 3 pretty good sequels, some average cartoons and made for TV movies, 2 good anthology films, some incredible cartoons and 1 incredible live action show thus far. Plus endless excellent to terrible books, comics and games.
All 3 trilogies have their ups and downs, depending on technology, cast, direction, sfx, writing and the cast/crews life choices. Only ANH and ESB are basically perfect.
I can’t say that any of them “stink” pre se, but certainly some are worse than others. The prequels had Jar Jar, poor performances (though I blame the director. He’s the one who said “cut! Print!” when he should’ve asked for 1 or 2 more takes), not great dialogue and over use of cgi. But, despite those failings, Lucas still did something original and different from the OG SW. Also, McGregor, McDiarmid, Neeson, Oz, Park, Lee and Morrison all brought a lot to the table. And no one does action better than Lucas, except Spielberg. The Clone Wars was the perfect expansion of that eras lore as well.
The OG trilogy has basically 2 flaws, and both appear in Jedi.
1.) Making Luke and Leia siblings after they’d kissed. In the original drafts, Han would stay in Carbonite forever, being basically dead, and Luke/Leia would’ve gotten together. But Lucas was going through a divorce and his mindset was askew, so we got what we got there.
2.) Too many jokes involving the ewoks. I’m fine with ewoks, but the logic of teddy bears organizing a humorous overthrow of an empire in 5 minutes, including enough planning for cute hijinks is silly. But whatever. It’s not THAT bad. Anyone who’s sat through Robocop 3 knows EXACTLY what I mean.
The sequels have their own issues, but still have plenty to enjoy, unless you’re a joyless douche that @&%$#><'a@$<=,=(#%,%/(",%,%[]=)(#$÷(#(%,%%?%$"$((#(%/,$"%"**%((%$(%((%((#(($&^^_/@%÷&×@,#&"?$@#$($[@#"&&#&& (it was that bad. Cant type that out.).
Let’s go through the faults first, shall we?
1.) TFA was too formulaic and relied too heavily on nostalgia. Lonely kid on desert planet dreaming of adventure/ a better life, etc, who leaves planet, pursued by stormtroopers innthe millennium falcon, goes to alien cantina, goes to death star, mentor/friend dies, does something force-y, despite having little to no knowledge of it.
2.) TLJ didn’t do enough with its characters, left too much ambiguity with Rey, wasted the Rose character (took a lovely young actress, gave her a shit haircut, stuck her in a bad costume and made her thirsty for Finn.), made Finn a goofball and didn’t do nearly enough to reconcile Admiral Purple-Hair’s terrible leadership with her selfless sacrifice later. Shes basically responsible for Poes insubordination. She caused it. Then the casino section went on way too long. The entire escape on dog-horseback could’ve been cut out entirely. It was also overly cgi. Phasma died too quickly. Rose, again, being thirsty, damn near killed the resistance for a kissy-kiss, rather than letting Finn sacrifice himself and saving everyone else.
3.) TROS, sadly, had to deal with the actual loss of one of its key players, so they had to make do. That sucked, but what ya gonna do? They wasted Rose again, could’ve redeemed her character. Wasted Finn being possibly Force sensitive. Finn could’ve also left to recruit deserter stormtroopers for the finale. General Hux went out too quickly. In TFA, he was perfect. He should’ve been evil to the end. Basically zero consequences for the heroes, like C3PO getting wiped, but resotred later. Waste of an emotional scene. Zori bliss character totally wasted, but so forgettable, I almost forgot about her. Not a clear (for the dopes in the audience) explanation that Palpatine was a clone and Snoke was nothing more than an avatar. I got it, but too many didn’t. The emperor using lightning to drop ships, with no explanation of his powers being multiplied in that location. Palpatine not learning about using lightning against lightsabers. Rey being a Palpatine, not an escaped/stolen avatar for Palpatine to inhabit and rule through, like Snoke, but not withered. That’s what I took from her trial in TLJ, when she saw 1000 of herself, but no parents. Wasted Dark Rey. Would’ve also been perfect time to discover she was a clone/avatar and have to overcome that knowledge. But whatever. I still don’t hate them.
Now, the strengths of the sequels, because we’ve all done the prequels to death for the last 22 yrs…
1.) The performances were excellent all around. Leaps and bounds above the prequels (Natalie Portman, Sam Jackson, Hayden Christiansen etc being basically flat as the kitchen table. How do you get Sam Jackson to NOT emote?).
2.) Han Solo finally died, (and went out as not only a hero, but a loving father willing to do anything for his family) as Ford wanted 30 yrs ago. It was suuuper hard to see, don’t get me wrong, but the moment he touched Ben Solos face as if to say, “you’re still my son. I still love you” was beautiful and I’d never want to lose that. In comparison, my brother, while working as a substitute teacher, used star wars in a lesson plan. But the kids were only familiar with the prequels. They had no idea Obi Wan died like he did, etc. They only knew Ewan McGregor being awesome. They flipped their shit when Alec Guiness died. Just like we all did when Han died.
3.) Chewie. You just can’t get him wrong. Some people bitched that he paid more attention to helping Finn after Han died than grieving for his friend (even though theiteral next shot was him grieving). That is because Chewie is a 200+ yr old soldier and leader and knows to save and treat the wounded first and deal with your own feelings later. Chewie is the best the rebellion/resistance has to offer.
4.) Rey. This one’s a rabbit hole, so strap in…
A.) Using the force. So Rey HAD heard of Jedi and the Force before, but just thought they were myths. She’d heard the stories of what they could do. Then Han told her it was all real. Then she felt the force awaken in her when she touched Luke’s lightsaber. The khyber crystal called to her. She tried it on Rens ship to escape. And it was against a stormtrooper and they’re dumb as shit, so of course it worked. And lest we forget, Luke was using force pull in Empire despite having no mentor, no books, etc. Just experimenting all that time, listening to the force guide him. Rey did the same thing.
B.) Using the lightsaber. Yes, she had never used a lightsaber before, but neither had Finn before Maz Kanata’s castle, but he also did ok against a wounded Kylo Ren. Also, Rey WAS a skilled melee fighter with her stick. She beat up the punks on Jakku trying to steal BB-8. She knew how to handle herself just fine. An entire life of working, slaving, scrapping, climbing, repairing, and fending for herself on Jakku prepared her for that.
C.) Flying the Falcon. She said she knew how to fly. She did it. She also had prior knowledge of the Falcon from Unkar Plutt forcing her to work on it (she made fun of his “upgrades”. She knew the ship fairly well).
I could go on, but I won’t.
5.) Fan service. Lots of critics say it like it’s a bad thing, but it’s not.
A.) Leia in space is her using the Jedi survival trance Luke used in the novels. Luke had to abandon his Xwing and used the same trance to survive briefly in space.
B.) Luke in TLJ actually uses the force for knowledge and defense, exactly the way Yoda described in Empire. Exactly the way Obi Wanndid, buying time for Luke to escape the Death Star in ANH. in that way, he really became like Yoda and Obi Wan. In that moment, he did the most Jedi thing ever. It was also Mark Hamills Unforgiven. Him showing up on Crait is akin to William Munny showing up at the bar in Big Whiskey to face off against Bill Daggett. When I first saw Unforgiven, it was hard to see Eastwood as a broken down old pig farmer, just as it was hard to see Luke Skywalker a broken ex-Jedi master, but they both became their old selves and defeated their enemies (except that Munny reverted to being a moral-less killer, but there were no “good guys” in that movie").
C.) Force healing. Several other forms of media, mostly games have featured that power, but the movies never used it until TROS.
D.) Lando being Lando. We all love Lando unless you suck.
E.) Jedi Leia. In the books/comics, Leia does train as a Jedi and has Jedi kids and her first son falls to the dark side. The only differences are the lack of the other 2 kids and that she stopped training.
F.) Clone Emperor. Palpatine had cloned himself several times. It was quite clear to me at least, with him being all hooked up to those machines, the cloning cylinders with Snokes in them. And his appearance left to the idea from the Dark Emlire comics that when a cloned body receives his evil spirit, the body withers.
G.) Palpatine’s contingency plans. It’s well established that Palpatine has plans on plans on plans, fool! Upon his death, his minions received their orders and carried them out to resurrect him.
6.) In TLJ, the fact that Luke never got to see Han again and that Finn/Rose/Poes plan failed miserably. Something Star wars rarely wants to do is have consequences for the heroes. This time, there are grave consequences for all involved. Luke’s actions resulted in him never getting to see his old friend again. In my own life, I have similar regrets. People I’ll never see again and I can’t change it. I have to live with that.
Finn/Rose’s plans failing and trusting a scumbag like DJ is perfect because so often things don’t go smoothly and you have to adapt to win or at least survive. It was better that way. Stuff can’t be sunshine and roses otherwise the First Order wouldn’t be a real threat.
7.) Skywalkers being Skywalkers. Luke nearly fell to the dark side and killed his father. He saw his severed hand, noticed his own mechanical hand and realized he was going down the same path and turned away. People make a big deal about it being his father, despite never knowing him at all, VS. almost failing and falling by almost killing his nephew, a boy he’d seen since he was born and helped to raise, had much more of a relationship with and it broke him. I can also relate, having raised a nephew only to see him piss away his life and become a junkie. I felt like just giving up too. But I don’t have that choice. My ass has to suck it up and be there to pick up pieces because who else will? Also, all male Skywalkers are whiny, emotional buttheads in their youth. Why would Ben Solo be any different?
7.) Ben Solos return from the dark side. Yet another Ford moment I never want to lose. The memory of Han Solos last moments, but the way Ben wished it would’ve went. (BTW, Han was NOT a force ghost. It was a memory. Ben Solo even says so.)
8.) Ben Solo dying. It had to be. Through Kylo Ren, Ben Solo had committed SOOOOOOOOooooo many unspeakable acts, there’s basically no coming back for him. If he’d survived, he’d have been executed in seconds after returning with or without Rey. Instead, he decided to use his life force to do one last good thing and savea truly good person, the last person to really care about him. Worth the cost. Imagine if Darth Vader had lived through ROTJ. The rebellion would’ve had him executed in 5 seconds on Endor’s moon. He would’ve received no mercy and neither would Ben Solo.
Again, I could go on, but I won’t. It’s been too long already. Literally the only 3 TRULY shitty Star Wars things to happen so far are the Holiday special, the lame recent cartoon about the fighter pilots and the High Republic, but no one’s forcing anyone to read or watch those.
Star Wars is great.
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Prequels were unironically the most creative thing about star wars. The new trilogy is horrid minus Rogue One and taken over by people who enjoy destroying popular things just like what’s happening with phase 4 marvel.
TLJ is a hilarious peice of comedy all the way down to superman leia & the space horse calvary charge ontop of the space ships.
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