I was referring to public matches and how IllFonic balanced it. Y’all wanna custom settings to make it fair in private matches then perfectly fine, and maybe I just missed something, but I believed it was public matches/base settings that were being talked about.
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Remember, it’s perfectly balanced if we always win and chalk it up to skill without taking game design and balance into consideration.
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really?
Then why do you expect the developers to intervene on the balance of the game according to your preferences
LOL
For fucks sake, again, no it’s not entirely a matchmaking issue, the game itself is unbalanced.
That you guys like how it feels and think is balanced, is something different.
Sure you like it.
But just because you like it, doesn’t mean it’s balanced.
You stuck around until the game, luckily, went in your favor.
But the huge majority of players called out the imbalance since the start.
So fuck all the people that actually played well and studied the game huh, only your group matters eh?
Seriously, this shit is ridiculous.
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Public matches have to be balanced around casual players , there’s no alternative
Last I checked making the game balanced is their fucking job. Least they could do with how little content we get.
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they did, game’s perfectly balanced around casual players.
That’s my point. The game is balanced on that, so the ft when in a premade is extremely unbalanced.
So to the first 2 posts bringing this up’s point, it’s not just skill that makes you win. It’s a combination of high skill and ft being damn powerful from the balance.
Nah, I don’t think so.
Playing Fireteam has been so damn easy in the past…
Preds have become way stronger, it is not so easy to 1v1 a Pred anymore as it had been a year ago, when they literally died like flies once a PC player joined.
The only Preds I am able to 1v1 right now are the potatoes, and I think that’s a good thing.
then you have custom settings. Even thou if you watch Thunderwlf, Gesp, Samhain, Riktig etc private matches there’ s a 50-50 win/lose ratio. And those are the most skilled players in this game.
So even in top tier privates you have balance.
So, what are we talking about?
Unbalance in a public lobby where the FT are premade veterans and the pred is a casual gamer?
I don’t understand
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So 1 person being able to sw a pred within 1 clip on some guns is balanced?
My point is it is not balanced for mid to high skilled players.
I think of it like the spectrum of a triangle. The potatoes/low skill makes up the base and most of the playerbase, then the next tier up is the mid tier players who are less in number, but better at the game, and then on the final tier we have the highly skilled players, who are least in number.
And I call it a spectrum because there is no hard borders, as someone plays more they increase their skill and the higher they go. It’s a crude representation, but the easiest to help get my point across.
I say all of this to help illustrate that IllFonic wants to appease the most of the playerbase, which is pubs, so they make the FT very powerful so that they have a chance against the predator if one of them has a functioning neuron. It isn’t balanced for mid to high on the skill ceiling.
No dumb ass, not to my specific desires or anything like that, to balance it around the game itself.
Not fucking hard buddy, just look at the numbers.
Simple math will show you the core problems with balance, you start from there.
I hate math, but yall literally argue fucking numbers that are right there.
And then you mock me, just cause I bring this up.
But none of you have ever really bought up a good counter arguement except Lazy.
You guys literally go off the fact that you like how it feels, so you think it’s fine.
I remind you again, I literally started calling out and noticing how broken ft was when I started playing it.
Let’s take a look at different games.
Nothing specific, not a single genre.
In other games, a lot of them, theres way more top players, not just the circle jerk we have here.
Why? Cause those games are balanced. Like yall think your hot shit cause you do well here.
Good for you. But not everyone wants to waste their time on a game with these many issues, not including balance btw, where the devs do not care.
How things ended up suits you.
That’s just how it is.
But that doesn’t mean its balanced.
But god forbid anyone bring this up cause then yall just resort to petty ass mocking, without even proving what was said wrong.
Like not Just you, but all of you, mainly on the pc side are the same.
In no game is the ttk this low on one side but not the other, while having to sustain damage to deal some.
Literally what do the best preds have to do to match ft dps?
Animation cancels that’s aren’t even actually implemented into the game.
You literally have to break the game to be able to combat the basic ft.
Buddy, that’s not normal.
you like it? You enjoy this game? Good for you. But just because you do, doesn’t mean its balanced and doesn’t have major issues. It also doesn’t mean you have to mock people bringing it up when they’re literally bringing up numbers. Like I dont see how you can argue data
I dont expect things to change.
Gave up on ilfonic a long time ago.
But yall jump on anyone who brings up balance issues like flies to shit simply because you like how the game is. No other reason.
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Let’s assume that your theory is true (I do not agree but I’ll assume it’s true for the sake of dialectics)
Then what possibile solution do you have? Balance the game around mid-high tier (let’s say 200% pred health and 75% FT damage outpout)
Then the game will be unplayable for most people.
As a developer you have to make choices
Exactly.
The thing is in my opinion, such players have the knowledge, they know what weapon is useful or not, where you need to position yourself, which area to keep an eye on, etc.
But the Random Couch potato doesn’t know that stuff, not even the most basic stuff about the game.
They come and fight with useless stuff like the war club, use the predcour, hunt down AI’s, don’t know how to activate the bomb.
Some people even complain that the Bots are overpowered…
And why? Because this stupid game with its rudimentary Tutorial doesn’t teach them anything useful, and let’s level 1 Preds match against level 700 PC Deathsquads.
My point is you all are not gods who only win because of skill against casual players. Yea, if you have higher skill you should win, but people in the community like Skoolboy have tested out the damage and found it to be insanely high. That’s where I got the numbers for being able to sw with one clip from certain guns. I wish we had SBMM in this game but the playerbase is too small for it to be truly effective.
Also for these supposed win rates, is everyone trying their absolute hardest on both sides, and are people keeping track of w/l? Cause otherwise it’s kind of hard to take you at your word.
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That doesn’t apply to game itself, just a few players.
That’s what I’m getting at.
You got some people who are stubborn as hell and pushed through the bullshit.
But just because they did, doesn’t mean its balanced.
For over a year now I find it crazy how people want to argue the numerical data.
Like I dont make these numbers up.
If it was something based on my opinion it would be a different story, I can admit when I’m wrong.
It wouldn’t be an issue if the pred had actual stealth and didn’t have to trade damage every time.
You know , purely cause how long you’ve played it’s way too easy to track pred.
None of the issues I mentioned would he a problem, balance wise, if pred had effective ways to fight indirectly.
However, a lot of people are afraid of that idea.
Its whatever tho. At least I tried to help this game at one point.
Again, you’ve pretty much stated my point. IllFonic wants to appease the majority, so they make it balanced around pubs. Making FT really strong.
Do you understand this?
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The thing being overlooked here tho, by everyone, Is that if it were truly balanced, lower tier players wouldn’t get completely ran over.
The ones who dont pay attention cause they dont care will still suffer, but things would be more balanced all around.
I’ve said this since 2020 but always gets ignored.
That’s the thing.
The random level 1 potato who never played any shooters will not do any damage if he doesn’t know how to aim and hit, while the FPS-Gamer, who plays shooters regularly, will not miss many of those shots and do horrendous damage.
While the top Preds know how to evade much of the damage, which the low-level Preds don’t know.
Agreed, but still, that issue persists because of poor matchmaking, which breaks the balance.
If high-level players like me and mojo would be excluded from playing against low-level Preds, we wouldn’t have this kind of discussions.
I’m not mocking you, I just find contradictions in your reasoning.
I stopped speculating on the balance of the game the day custom settings were added to the privates and when I understood what was the developer’s vision on the game:
- make people have fun in pubs
- avoiding >25 minutes queue to play as pred
Imagine if it was easier to win as pred in pubs: you’d get 40 minutes wait times immediately.
And now a mediocre pred can win 90% of games in pubs. (those are the real numbers)