Absolutely. Remember guys, comics based off of movies are never a good source if you’re looking for coherence and logical conclusions
Yautja are not honorable - change my mind
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F U C K Y E A H!!!
I mean, yes you are correct
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Hokey everyone, we had a heck of a discussion on this one but my view on the subject remains unchanged XD – Yautja are interplanetary serial killers bound to some hunting rules ;-) But please know this – this is MY VIEW, and its my view alone, dose not make it true or untrue - just unique, same as yours, sometimes very different and unique views.
Big thanks to absolutely everyone who took their time to share some thoughts on the subject, really appreciate all views and opinions. Always a pleasure to exchange arguments with Predator fanbase! We are the best!
Honor is subjective.
To use a real life example, honor in feudal Japan meant facing your foe face to face, not striking a man when he is down or attacking from behind.
This is somewhat similar to the chivalry code followed by medieval knights in the same era.
However, their interpretations of honor were slightly different.
If a medieval Knight was captured in battle he would likely be held hostage (and treated with relative respect if he was a noble), with the threat of execution if a ransom wasn’t paid. Either way his interpretation of honor would be intact.
The samurai on the other hand would have his honor disgraced if he was taken prisoner and would be expected to commit suicide via Seppuku to restore his honour.
I am sure there are many different examples but honor varies culture to culture. The Yautja culture sees sport hunting as a noble pursuit, with honour and prestige awarded for the largest, strongest, smartest prey.
The restraints of killing from behind, or surprise attacks are not an issue for yautja. Its simply their interpretation.
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Avp and Avpr cannot be considered canon, when Ridley Scott set Premetheus and Alien: Covenant far into the future. The Xenos didn’t exist and therefore couldn’t be on Earth ar the time of Avp. While the Easter eggs exist in Predator 2 (sigh… and The Predator if you must), the fact remains Avp and Avpr must be set in their own universe. And they stunk too. The concept of Predators teaming up with humans and sharing their tech (ala Machiko) is absurd and the writers who did so should be pooped upon.
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Not sure how Ridley invalidates predator cannon, does he make a point of confirming Pred 1/2 in his movie.
Pred 1, 2, AVP, AVPR, Predators, The Predators are a separate cannon than Ridley’s.
Pretty much this. The bushido stuff was never accurate esp when you’re talking about species that kill for fun.
They just want to kill the biggest deer with their favorite pig sticker, straightforward. P2 was totally a spree killing throughout, like going to a safari and just running over all the hyenas on the way to the lion.
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Exactly that XD Think metro attack - what a bloody shit-show that was XDDDDDD
In his defense they were armed in an enclosed space but it was a self-defense mass spree
this is my favourite term as from now on
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Well, you can’t have AvP without the A’s and Ridley Scott, the creator of the A franchise set the creation of the xenomorph species far into earths future. Far beyond the events of P2, Avp and Avpr. The skull seen in P2 is simply a fun Easter egg, much like the Evil Dead references in A Nightmare On Elm Street. Just for fun. Avp and Avpr MUST be set in an alternate universe where both species exist at the same point in time. If Prometheus and A:Covenant did not exist, then sure, Avp and Avpr “could” be considered canon, but since they do exist, Avp and Avpr have been retconned out of officiality, regardless of how much you or I may not like it. And, for the record, I would much rather live in a world where the 2 Avp films are canon in some way, but The Predator never happened, but I dont. The Predator sucked, Micheal Bay gets to keep on making movies and Hayden Christensen will forever be a whiny Anakin Skywalker. You can’t win em all.
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Look maybe you’re stupid or maybe you are purposely not listening. Ridley’s universe doesn’t effect Predator canon. The only thing that happened involving him, was the sale of rights. Aliens exist in Predator canon, but Predators do not exist in the Aliens universe. So anything Ridley does involving Alien origins is irrelevant.
The Predator is canon and legitimizes the AVP films, at least according to the devs of this game.
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Ah, but it does. It put a ‘halt’ on older Avp story structure/development. Dark horse comics did a decent job rebooting Avp lore with the ‘Fire and stone’ and ‘Life and death’ story lines to fit better with both franchises’ latest outings, doing a hefty time jump into the future, where humans and predators both encounter the ‘evolutionary accelerant’ from Prometheus. Shenanigans ensue. The decision of Mr. Scott to tell his own creations’ origin story, which was approved by then owners of BOTH franchises, 20th century fox, supercedes us as fans, even though we may dislike it. It nullified the officiality of both Avp films. It is set that way until another film/director specifically addresses it, not just with a few props in the background. Another example of this was when Princess Leia tells Luke of her memories of her real mother. There are details given. Fast forward to Padme Amidala dying in childbirth, thus negating that original story from ROTJ. It serms like Mr. Lucas forgot his own story and no one liked the contradiction. But, ol’ Grorge was the boss and we sell had to swallow it. This unfortunate Avp business is the same. (Drops mic, activates cloaking device, disappears into jungle. )
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Dude you are being obtuse.
He didn’t reset Predator Canon, he modified the Alien Canon.
This is the film canon for the Predator universe. Nothing else not even the original Alien movie or any of the sequels that are not AVP movies. The comic books, novels (other than Stalking Shadows) and NECA figures are all supplementary material to that canon and hence the canon of the game.
The Predator is canon to the game and makes both AVP movies canon by being so. This game wouldn’t exist if Fox (Disney) didn’t want it to. It was specifically made to be canon to the current Predator canon universe. That means you’re argument is moot, since this game exists after Ridley’s movie. This game establishes it by including the character of Keyes from The Predator and the devs have stated it, is CANON.
(Dark Horse is a DC subsidiary(?), well if it is I can’t imagine it’s still canon with the rights being turned over to Marvel. Edit, wrong company was thinking of Vertigo.)
Sorry, pard, but youre mistaken. The point is, if you have a game between two teams, lets call them the Bulls and the Lakers, and the Lakers say, “nope, we ain’t playing anymore” and take the team out of the arena (which is exactly what 20th century fox and Ridley Scott did with the last 2 Alien films) then you can’t have the game!! Who are the Bulls gonna play? (With themselves, I imagine 😉). All the hype posters and merchandise hanging out everywhere (Avp, Avpr and subtle references to them in The Predator) doesn’t change the fact that the game isn’t on anymore. Without both teams, its off. And, last time I checked, when a creator of a franchise wants to change something to better suit his vision, its their call, not ours and not a game developers either. In fact, the only non-original game I remember ever being given its own official, separate ‘canon’ is the ps4 Spiderman last year.
The game is part of the existing Predator cannon, you are mistaken about Ridley’s ability to change things in the Predator universe.
Both exist independently of each other. The Aliens universe and the Predator universe that contains Xenomorphs.
Edit - Here’s a quote from the epic game store…
“fans of the Predator-verse will revel in both familiar and new canon.”
And one from AVP fandom…
“additionally, as a result of working closely with Fox, IllFonic has been given a unique opportunity in that, everything they make in this game will become a part of the official lore.”
Which is from Avp fandom?
This one.
Considering they all had plasma casters…which makes them blooded. Those young dead predators had no idea what humans are capable of… In essence do you think killing a whitetail deer is honorable because most do it for sport. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
honorable kills is more like for preds… humans or aliens that exceed there expectation or kill them too. So a bear that kills a human on a hunt is an honorable kill. To bad humans don’t think that way.
Pred killed by caveman technology… honorable kill.
And can you post a link to that epic game store quote/post? I’d like to read the entire thing