Yeah well, to be clear, I think honor is a bullshit concept, used to replace chivalry, then be replaced by it in other times of history. It’s just there to restrict the acts of the strongest and most fearsome members of society.
Samurai would never have considered ‘honor’ until the Shoguns introduced them to it, along with buttloads of money, land and serfs.
I mean, you could just replace ‘honor’ with 'showing restraint and respect to opposition", in this case, I think. In which case you could argue for days about whether our military or fictional aliens have it or not lol
Thank you Locke - this is exactly my point ;-)
See that @KayneLucard ? How am I to change my mind if more ppl are convincing me that I’m right? Common, bomb me with some hard facts and unbeatable arguments!
Many predators breaks rules but they are either justified or makes mistakes, which leads them going through trials, like Scarface failing, Scar killing a weak prey or Wolf killing a un-armed human.
Being a bad blood is about constatly breaking the code, killing other Yautjas and evade the enforcers, all of this while knowing they are breaking rules or even enjoying doing these things. CH going back to the ship is the confirmation that he wasn’t a bad blood nor wanting to be one.
I admit I didn’t bother to read other ppl’s posts but here’s my take:
You kinda have a point, I thought about that too…
But you gotta remember that they are Predators /Hunters. Not warriors, not gladiators.
That means that they are out to kill and bring some trophies home, period. And both in nature and among humans you’ll never find a hunter that exposes himself to the point where the confrontation becomes a “fair” sport.
So in this sense, I see Yautja honour code simply as a deliberate form of self imposed restriction, not some kind of “human-like ethic” nor an “animals rights” type of thing.
To me it’s almost like a hunter with his rifle that is out to kill some big cat, and (suppose we are outside of human society and laws) decides to give himself some rules, e.g. using weapons with a level of destructive/stopping power that is not excessive, no special protection, no vehicle etc…
But even when these deliberate rules are in place, it doesn’t necessarily mean he will let the animal see him, at least not when he is within a certain distance, or put himself in a particularly risky situation.
It’s more about making it more challenging for themselves, than to respect their prey.
So in essence: yes, you are right, they are not honourable in a human-moral sense, their honour code is not like the samurai honour code (the latter were warriors, not hunters. Also: one more reason to stop trying to equate the two parties, despite the bushido was an “inspiration”. Read: Fuck samurai predator)
BUT its still somewhat an honour code, with its own particular logic.
Oh I don’t really care about changing your mind TBH I was merely stating that you want us to “convince” you of X but you refuse to acknowledge any other examples outside of what YOU believe to be evidence one way or the other, hence looking for an echo chamber. Do I agree that the Yautja (which btw was a name that was LATER CREATED) in the first two movies behaved in a way that would be considered “honorable” by the “standards” that some of the extended lore holds them to now no not at all but that concept hadn’t been injected into the lore at that point at least not in any sort of fleshed out capacity. The example of it in Predator 2 I think at the time was merely a “hey man good job, you can have this as a trophy because you impressed us” thats always how I took it anyway, But to say that they are not “honorable” at all is also not true they just hold themselves to a different standard of it and as stated by others above different clans or individual Yautja interpret it differently, or choose to ignore it much in the same way any sentient creature would because thats called free will.
Then why even bother?
bla bla bla XDDD whatever, still no arguments pal
There we go! You are on the best way to convince me that there is something more or less to this whole bushido honour code. Not being sarcastic right now - I get your view on this
So what is your take on City Hunter rampageing thrugh the metro slaughtering eldery and obese?
im ok… Predator 1987 jungle hunter was Honorable in both 1987 and 2010. Wolf in AVPR was Honorable, or are we talking predators in game?
I’m just like in the first two movies XD Shooting ppl while cloaked from behind the rock XDDDDDDDDDD
Just first two movies, as they were written by the creators of the creature concept. So 87 pred honorable? I will have to slightly disagree if by honour we understand what humans understand by honour - This Yautja killed all his pray while cloaked, often shooting them from distance, not giveing anyone a fighting chance. He was in fact acting like a superior hunter on a weekend safari run rather than warrior looking for glory.
Whats your take on it?
i mean i see that point but you gotta remember they all each had Fire arms as well and in every single Recorded event where a Human armed only with a bladed weapon the predator used his bladed weapons as well. so i would make the counter point that, the predator sense the power of the humans and rather the blindly running in to get shot he does the shooting first and fights fair only after the human strips him self of his fire power to level the playing feild.
Them female cheeks be clappable as hell, why not😈
He was doing society a favour 😈
The first two movies were never about an “honourable Yautja code” being adhered to. It was more about being “sportsmanlike”, basically they have weapons so they’re fair game. In the first movie, Dutch kicks the gun from Anna and says “he didn’t kill you because you were unarmed, ol’sport”. The scene on the Subway in the second movie, everyone was armed and posed a potential threat/challenge and so he saw them as “fair game”.
The Yautja Honour Code came much later from the Dark Horse expanded lore.
Another predator Jesus on the loose XD
Exactly my point XD Thanks VENN7eance!
Ok… this makes sens to me
Yep. Very true
Ok, but don’t tell them that! Let them argue abit XD
