Cheaters

[Durbs2001]

[JelouGaming]

No. A glitch is an error in programming.

I don’t think the fire rate is an error in programming. If it was, then you could empty all bullets in a millisecond. You can’t. Every weapon has a predetermined firing rate. Therefore is safe to assume so does the grim-tech (which it has).

[Cadillackid]

You’re assuming they accounted for macros when designing the fire rate. Considering the game as a whole and the minor misses the playerbase has found since release I think it’s just as plausible it’s an overlooked item in design

[JelouGaming]

maybe you are right, maybe not. thing is there is a firing rate limit. therefore is not a glitch.

[Finessology]

@GreyBack lol we see macros as cheats. Its just a matter of to what degree.

@JelouGaming

IMO if the macro works, is because the developers implemented that firing rate. They allow it

Tapping is a mechanical skill, unless you make it so easy that it might as well not be a semi-automatic weapon. You’re intended to tap the button not automate it. Pretty straightforward.

No game with the ability to detect macros allows them. It comes down to how determined devs are to maintain the intregrity of their competitive scene (League, Overwatch, CS, etc) and we still get CS GO pros trying to sneak by with their macros and getting banned.

[Xan84]

@Finessology

No game with the ability to detect macros allows them. It comes down to how determined devs are to maintain the intregrity of their competitive scene (League, Overwatch, CS, etc) and we still get CS GO pros trying to sneak by with their macros and getting banned.

Considering I don’t use macros in games I never really tested it but I know a game that allows them for sure, World of Warcraft, what’s more, you can make macros IN GAME!!!

[Finessology]

And that’s exactly why an MMO isn’t a competitive shooter. Warcraft supports automated keypresses as long as they perform single actions (Binding multiple actions is still bannable. You still need to click the button once for each game action in the combo), Overwatch bans you for even running macros to autolock a character faster than everyone else.

[Bonator]

Thanks a lot for posting, it is quite interesting.

Never thought about the possibility of using the mouse wheel for firing before!

Obviously one gets fire rates by all shown means, which are impossible by just manually clicking a button (while not loosing the aim)!

Admittedly this, in particular the macro, might not help for the long range, but if the predator is running straight up to you, frontal, every shot will hit - at least at the point, where the predator is right in front of you, if you ask me.

Thanks for the hint, that said recoil is no issue using the first assault rifle. It’s funny, because when I started playing PHG, I started using that one. But I discarded that soon, as it often happened to me, that I “forgot” pressing the fire button wildly - under attack…

Cannot do several things at one moment:) So I switched to Hammerhead in the end. Still there…

May I ask another question? In the first video, your munition counter seem not to decrease while shooting - how is that possible?

[JelouGaming]

@Bonator

May I ask another question? In the first video, your munition counter seem not to decrease while shooting - how is that possible?

it was a custom match set with infinite ammo for testing purposes, since if you don’t do that you will run out of ammo very quickly

[Bonator]

@JelouGaming

yup. pretty much. at the end of the day, unless you are playing in a tournament that forbids it, is safe to assume everyone will use everything at their disposal to be better at the game. Low graphics, more powerful GPU, faster response M&K, freesync/g-sync monitors, macros, etc. This happens pretty much on every game out there. Everyone on CS:GO, CoD:MW, Battlefield, Battlefront, etc. does it. Nobody cares if is fair or what not. If you can do it, is game. Only reason people avoid aimbots and wallhacks is because if they use them, they risk getting banned. And trust me, nobody wants to risk getting their account disabled when they own more than 50 games on steam. I personally own over 200 games on steam, around 50 on EPIC. I would not for a second consider using those things if they put at risk losing all the money I’ve invested.

But then comes the other problem… when everything becomes so easy, people simply stop playing. It has happened with the majority of players in the PCDS discord. No one wants to team up because is too easy, and playing solo is boring.

I’ve been running basic loadouts, the first assault rifle, the first pistol, no specialization, no damage boost perks or shit and is still so easy that it becomes boring. Only bit of challenge is playing solo and is still not enough of a challenge. This is without macros or whatever. That’s why I stopped playing FT and started playing Pred. FT had become boring unless I’m hanging out with friends and in all honesty, the only reason to play FT is to talk and joke around with those guys, gameplay is still meh now.

After playing pred for a month or so it also has become boring af because is the same, either too easy against the majority of players or way too difficult against good payers. There’s no middle ground here.

People will eventually move away from the game. The majority of good players have not played the game in weeks now. Guess we will wait until the next patch and the same cycle. People come in, play for a week or two and then move on to something else.

I got tired already. As soon as we find a new game to play with friends, we will put this game in the locker. Game is dead now for us.

That seems to be a quite good description of the reality. And it’s the reason, why playing on console does make sense: every player has the same conditions there; although I am aware, that one might be able to do similar things, alike special controllers - but it is far more seldom, I think.

I am also aware, that PCs can be disguised as being a PS4, maybe this is even possible with that cracked version which seems to be out there. But again, that seem not to happen too often.

[JelouGaming]

@Bonator

I am also aware, that PCs can be disguised as being a PS4, maybe this is even possible with that cracked version which seems to be out there. But again, that seem not to happen too often.

that is a far fetched assumption, unless you have any proof. I would say that would be probably impossible since the game for consoles is a totally different version with even different options in the GUI

[Bonator]

@GreyBack

The only reason Jelou has been singled-out recently is because he acknowledged that he’s used macros on occasions. I’m sure there are a ton of other ‘high-end’ PC players who are being a lot coyer about their use of them.

True!

[Bonator]

@JelouGaming

that is a far fetched assumption, unless you have any proof.

Ok, right, my wording was not correct, I meant “could be”. Proof are other games and some PS4 player who are playing alike they ARE PC players - but the latter admittedly is no proof for nothing but just an impression.

Said players are quite seldom, maybe there is another reason, why they play alike PC players - with the same outcome (and with that I mean outcome, which looks suspicious for me, but again, that just is my personal impression:)

[Bonator]

@JelouGaming

No. A glitch is an error in programming.

I don’t think the fire rate is an error in programming. If it was, then you could empty all bullets in a millisecond. You can’t. Every weapon has a predetermined firing rate. Therefore is safe to assume so does the grim-tech (which it has).

If your online banking system has a security gap - I hope, you won’t assume, that it is intended to be exploited. Otherwise, you might encounter severe problems with men with real arms…

[Arnie.schwarzewigger]

Yeah you can buy packs that have built in macros , and back paddles , but I would say the paddles are fine just not the programmed buttons . In call of duty I used to switch my aim and firing buttons to the front bumpers which took a bit of getting used to but its better for speed . Out of curiosity I plugged my mouse and keyboard into my ps4 and the keyboard works on this game , but the mouse doesn’t

[JelouGaming]

@Arnie.schwarzewigger

Out of curiosity I plugged my mouse and keyboard into my ps4 and the keyboard works on this game , but the mouse doesn’t

K&M support for PS4 is game dependent. If the devs implemented it, you can use it. So far very few games have K&M support for PS4.

[Arnie.schwarzewigger]

I know fortnite is , trust me I know how that sounds 🙄

[Bonator]

By the way, I am just playing with the standard controller which was in the PS4 Pro packet. I do not like the reaction curve of the sticks - it feels a little to digital for me, if you know what I mean.

Do you have any recommendation for a better controller, in particular with a smoother analogous response characteristics of the two sticks?

[Fire]

Theres something like that for the D PAD for fighting games, so I’m sure theres something for the sticks.
I would just Google or look up on youtube.

[Vargaresa]

@JelouGaming

K&M support for PS4 is game dependent. If the devs implemented it, you can use it. So far very few games have K&M support for PS4.

There are even PS4 native controllers that simulate Mouse and Keyboard, so you don’t need that support. Like the Hori Tac.

@Bonator

Said players are quite seldom, maybe there is another reason, why they play alike PC players - with the same outcome (and with that I mean outcome, which looks suspicious for me, but again, that just is my personal impression:)

I know quite a few PS4 players that are good enough so that you’d say they are PC players disguised as PS4. The reality is that they are just very good.