🤣🤣🤣🤣 i can respect it cus that takes alot of energy to go run more then 1 account. You alright in my book evem if you try to get certain reactions with certain words or phrases catered to who ever your engaging with. Thats dedication friend💪 im jus shootin the shit tho so cringe, griping, etc. is all part of it.
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but why? why do you do it? I normally do it becuase AFTE has been showing no love. and i probalbly had a bit too much to drink.
Why am i going along with it? Well my job is a commission based so when i got free time im on the tube, browsing the net, checkin up in here for any news and stuff. Jus helps kill free time tbh when im cought up or have nothin to do.
you’re dog meat pal.
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i am logical to a fault so it gets awkward when I’m presented with an illogical problem. this isn’t good but its whats happening
your arguing a different subject your arguing his moral fibre im arguing the film doesn’t explain his moral or ethical stand points because hes not fleshed out
Okay you brainless moron. Since reading paragraphs is beyond your capabilities, I’ll use smaller words and shorter sentences.
1 What do you mean by fleshed out character?
2 I gave examples of his moral and ethical stances.
3 You’ve not proved Naru is better.
stop arguring you’ll be here for days!
fleshed out
to add more information or details
We know his loyalty blinds him and his morals guide him. He has turned down jobs in the past because they were strict assassinations, and he wants no part in that.
this tells us he’s not an assassin what else does it say about him though.
He trusted a guy who betrayed him. its a common cliche but what does that tell you about him
Dude I sum’d all this up wth he’s a damn good soldier your doing what everyone else has and accentuate on it while knowing nothing else about dutch the character
funny thing is people in here can tell me more about naru than dutch, whether you loathe her or not
both you and Martinez are arguing things I’ve never said I say shes more fleshed out you guys hear he likes naru more than dutch what a moron
I’m talking about this from an artistic point of view for character developement
if i say i like dutches character so much more tha naru but there is little told about dutch because it wasn’t necessary for the films genre of the time and i think giving him more character development in the series as cameos would have been great. would you be less inclined to argue now yo know im not a hashtag simp for naru
So if when the movie started and the second you saw Dutch, the movie paused, and his biographical stats just scrolled along the screen and then the movie continued, that would make it more fleshed out? Fucking dumb. When I say fleshed out, I mean in the content of character, personality, motives. I should be able to take a character, put him in a new situation, and have a good chance at understanding how he would react.
He’s not an assassin. It goes back to his morals, but it also points out that he must have done strict wetwork in the past because its hard to have a distaste for it without experiencing it. It also points to his skill set as a soldier, if he was a preferred option for such missions. There is a difference between being a damn good soldier and having a desirable skill set. But for the purposes of this topic, it informs us on how he views things.
He didn’t trust a guy who betrayed him, he trusted someone who will betray him. Those are two very different character traits. But it shows he’s someone who can have his trust earned and that trust will last. On a side note, cliches aren’t bad, but they can be badly done.
You’re missing the point on the expendability point. That informs us of why his character makes future actions. Why does he choose not to disarm himself when he deduces the predator won’t kill an unarmed person? Because he’s not just trying to live, he’s trying to get revenge. His men are not expendable, and he will make the predator pay, blood for blood.
And as I previously mentioned, this was all just what you learn in the opening scene. In the same amount of time, what do we learn about Naru. She has a brother and is a woman not doing woman things. None of that helps us understand her as a character. We can go through both movies and point out all the details and nuance of Dutch, and then hear people tell us things about Naru which don’t match her actions.
I’ve backed up my stance with evidence, contrary to what you’ve done, which amounts to ‘lol no’.
I’m waiting for you to have an artistic pov or to provide character development.
No of course not you do so through effective story telling. Nothings explicitly said when it comes to morals and ethics your under assumptions because so little is told
Dude its normal for soldiers to not take assassination contracts he’s a soldier not an assassin that’s all this told you
These are very normal characteristics in MOST humans
Normal soldier mentality they are your brothers nothing outside he’s a good soldier here either
From Martinez pov he deduced she is narcissistic, defiant bull headed, jealous, reckless etc and that’s just the personality traits from someone who thinks naru is not fleshed right
The movie also explains their cultural practices, spirituality, tradition,s hierarchies etc
That is one of the fucking stupidest things you’ve said. Effective storytelling involves not relying on characters explicitly saying things. If I were to throw up my hands and walk away, you could figure out that your stupidity is too much for me to handle. You don’t need me to say while walking away “your stupidity is too much for me to handle”. A good storyteller allows you to extrapolate upon what is being said and done.
No, he’s a soldier. You don’t become an assassin because you’re targeting an individual. Seal Team 6 didn’t become assassins by killing Osama. It both tells you that whatever his military career has been, he has the pull to ignore missions, and that he has a hard line he won’t cross for any reason. To the point where the mission he is tricked into doing delayed or canceled the attack and stalled a war.
Not necessarily. Most people usually have a time limit of not seeing someone and not trusting someone after a prolonged period of time apart. Regardless, not every human behaves the same, and this informs you on how this specific person behaves.
Again, you just slap a label on without considering the context or reality. Most soldiers value their own life over a pointless revenge charge. Most people are cowards. He was neither for this.
I didn’t ask what Martinez came up with throughout the movie. I asked you what you deduced form her in her first scene. Because I can keep going on Dutch, but I’m trying to prove a point that seems to nuanced for a microcephalic addlepate like yourself.
And I don’t care about cultural practices and spirituality when discussing a specific character’s development. If you want, we can do that with Dutch too, to no real point. They don’t explicitly state too much in the film because americans are generally familiar with american customs, and the inherent need to discuss these misplaced natives because they are out of the norm for the viewing audience.
Bruv nothings said except he’s a damn good soldier
You learn about naru and their culture through direct and indirect conversation.
Even Martinez could tell me more about naru than they could about dutch save the eloquently articulated “he’s a damn good soldier” just like Danny gloves character he’s a damn good cop but what else do you know about the character.
Were they ordered to go in and kill the Osama bin laden or find Osama bin laden bro this is also going into territory of American propaganda too bruv
Sounds like a you thing. Because you’d need a psychological study on human behavior to make that kind of claim
Now your veterans are cowards. Bro do you just say shit without thinking about what’s being said first
This is just one long winded an ad hominem fallacy so ignored
This is what builds nuance to characters so they’re more than a means to an end of the story
So what American customs traditions and cultural beliefs are implied in the film
Besides he’s a damn good soldier and the homophobic culture of the time ?
I’ve given you more than that that you just plug your ears and ignore it.
Could you provide examples? And not about the culture, we’re here about fleshed out characters.
I’ll say it again: I don’t care what Martinez said. You’ve said nothing on the matter, except to deny evidence and dodge questions.
I don’t care about the propaganda. You brought up the stupid assassin part. Don’t try to weasel your way onto another topic, stick with the character development.
And you need a psychological study on human behaviour to make your claim. I’m waiting from any evidence to come out of your mouth.
And once again, you’ve chosen to ignore the argument in front of you. I’m just responding to the baseless drivel coming from your mouth.
THAT IS NOT AN AD HOMINEM FALLACY. That is a simple challenge. I’ll make it very direct:
You, not Martinez, you PHG23. Tell me about Naru from her first scene. Not after the scene, not meta knowledge, not general culture, Naru herself.
Culture is not character development. Culture doesn’t tell me anything about Naru. Now how she reacts and embraces the culture may just do that but the culture by itself is a static object with no character.
And now you’re bringing up homophobia to Predator you gormless twat.
The fact you think culture is separate from the person shows me you don’t understand culture.
Why not, even though he hates naru he went well into detail on her personality traits and all the things she did wrong.
You literally said he was told to assassinate someone and declined.
What claim have I made about behavior outside of humans trust other humans they build relationships with. Do you really think that’s a false statement 🤣
Your argument is there is more information and details in dutch as a character. I’ve told you about narus culture beliefs family and tribal structures and traditions. Martinez’s gave a run down on her “shitty” characteristics
You’ve said dutch is a soldier and a damn good one with MORALS AND AMERICAN VALUES .
And still haven’t pointed out the “blatantly obvious” American customs that are implied in the film even though I did “homophobia”
Provide your own examples of Naru’s character in her first scene.
The movies are both longer than the first scene. This just furthers my point that the during the pred film you get very little information about dutch. good one
Provide your own examples of Naru’s character in her first scene.