This is a false dilemma fallacy, limiting options when there are more options available. You guys both use fallacies because you guys have no real arguments
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The fact that I posted a gorgeous photo of Amber in a fucking dress and you guys kept wagging your cocks around about insignificant things says a lot.
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I think they are having a dick fight with each other. let them have their space.
No, any storyteller worth his salt can reveal to their audience details about their character upon their first interaction. I’m putting forward that DT is shit and Naru is a shell of a human being with the depth of a puddle.
Now, stop squirming and answer the question or just admit you can’t. (And dodging the question one more time will just prove to everyone that you cannot and your argument has no basis in reality and you give up)
Provide your own examples of Naru’s character in her first scene.
ah the missing link what is it
but you only learn Dutch is a good soldier and a REALLY good soldier at that. Theres minimal amounts of information about Dutch, though there’s just enough to justify why hes there
And you’ve heard it here folks, @PHG23 just admitted that he cannot prove his argument and that Naru is as shallow as a puddle and Dutch is more fleshed out.
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ill give some of the information about naru over the course of the film one more time
She’s a Comanche tribe member during the New World era before the Declaration of Independence in a time where extreme discrimination and genocide was happening this here has heavy implications on what life would have been like or her and her people if you know American history.
There were conflicts, known as the Comanche Wars, that spanned over a century, from the early 1700s, which is when she lived, lasting up until the late 1870s.
which is why she has so much disdain for the colonizers
We also know she has a strong sense of pride and individualistic ideals, the latter shapes a lot of characteristics that conflict with traditional ideas of who you should be as opposed to who you are
We learn that her relationship with her close family late father included is good, but there’s a lack of respect from her male cousins, who would be the modern equivalent of make me a sandwich woman kinda guys. Remember she warns them not to approach whatever’s lurking in the woods, and they dismiss it like you’re just a scared a girl it’s nothing.
Naru has the steel, much like yautja to hunt things that hunt back for honor, pride, and respect. but for some reason yo u hate it when she does it
You also learn about many different cultural aspects that shape societies and people
one example is Mupitsi refers to a monstrous, owl-like creature that is said to roam the land, capturing and eating children which is what they call feral
And now that you’ve finally stopped dicking about, I can break down your arguments cleanly. You still didn’t answer my question, but I’ll let it slide.
Starting off, most of that tribe stuff does not come from the movie, and if we’re including things not even implied in the movie, I should point out that the Comanche were not living in that location and that did have positive relations with the french. But going on the only point you did make about Naru is also wrong because she was confused by the french as if these were new people she never met. The disdain came from the french being dicks to her since they met, not from before meetings that clearly never happened.
All that says is “I am woman, hear me roar” A basic trope.
And all that about her family says more about them than it does her.
You say she has steel, but provide no examples. Please back up your points with proof.
Once again, I’m not talking about a culture than encompasses more than Naru. This is about Naru. Stay on topic.
Cool, so she calls it a Mupitsi rather than El Diablo que hace trofeos de los hombres. That doesn’t tell me anything about her other than she’s comanche. Try harder.
nobody is following that deligently.
Whether she’s shallow or not is your perpsective. Arnolds character as Dutch was shallow , sure but there was enough information to make him further the plot along.
That reall is the point and nothing else. Its not political or socially driven. There is no satire in the film. If you see it, i don’t.
So what else is new?
I think you both are arguing on tangents that doesn’t make the reveal of the predator better. Only complicated.
The only notion for exploring each character more in a potential sequel would be interesting but of course, only strengthens their character and shouldn’t be the entire plot.
Its not going to be called Dutch or Naru, a hunters journney or something like that.
To make my point even stronger, what really dishevels PKok is this front. That there wasn’t enough time for a true reveal. The underlying mystery, the river current that makes the Predators an interesting plot device. It wasn’t there in KOK.
There should have been at least 15minutes more of plot for the Predators. Unfortunately I don’t see why now Badlands should explain anything or make up for what it didn’t have to provide.
I think it kind of sucks, but hey, maybe there will be a directors cut or something with lots more scenes.
sure its still not a completely true representation of something like Dutch. But no there were “raids” between the Comanche and French colonials and other colonizers like the Spaniards for that matter
You only attribute this to women, though. why when a guy says fck the system fck the man and fck you too you’d probably get a hard on for em its not a gender specific trait it’s an individualistic one of freedom.
Seeing the relationship between people shows a lot about everyone involved, whether you hate them or not
bro was the only one to stop and turn around to shoot feral in the face, bro took down a camp, bro went to hunt a lion solo there’s more just watch the film without prejudice next time
AGAIN culture molds the people within it you’re too colonized to understand the concept though.
Here’s an example you might understand if you believe in the bible that’s a cultural influence of your entire character values and actions
Tells you about their spiritual beliefs
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you get it there was just enough for the story to move ahead but there wasn’t a lot of information about him.These other guys hear “DUTCH SUCKS and NARUS WAY COOLER BRO” i wasnt talking about that or talking about what FILM was better either i was specifically talking about their being less information on dutch and the fact that these guys could tell me about narus full psychological diagnosis but dutch was just explained to have had MORALZ and that accentuated the argument of there was less info on dutch objectively
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very observant my friend. You are a true digester of story. I have FossiklHunter on my epic games friends list. I think he’s from BRazil. He’s not learned but not bashful about having an opinion.
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Once more, that’s not in the movie. What’s in the movie is confusion and bewilderment. I’m not here to debate historical accuracies with you. Its not Naru’s character.
It has the same weight as saying “soldier damn good one” And just as accurate. I didn’t write the movie. I don’t attribute that to flesh out female characters. No sane person ascribes that to Sarah Connor or Ellen Ripley. But ‘I am woman, her me roar’ is the entirety of Naru’s personality. There is no depth beyond that.
First off, seeing relationships doesn’t inform us about the character, only how they engage with those relationships does. For example, the only reason I knew Naru’s father was dead was because he wasn’t there. I don’t know how she feels about him because its never addressed, implicitly or explicitly. Second, your paragraph was all about how her family treats Naru, not the other way around. And how other people act doesn’t tell me anything about Naru. Which is what this topic is about.
Taabe did that. Naru did not shoot the feral in the face. Naru magically took down like three guys in a camp, and Naru was part of the lion hunt. You used examples this time, but having steel is less character defining than anything I said about Dutch and can also be countered with the same disingenuous “I am woman, hear me roar” tactic you use. Next.
First off, fuck you you racist bigot. That is what you are and you cannot dare deny it now. Accusing me of being a white christian without a shred of proof just because its an easy way out to play the victim. Second, as I said before culture is a static thing. How Naru reacts to the culture is what makes her character. If the fact that it exists is all it takes, I throw the bible at Dutch and now he’s just as fleshed out as Naru is in your eyes.
And it tells you about the Comanche’s spiritual beliefs and that Naru ascribes to them. That doesn’t really provide any depth to Naru that couldn’t be applied to even a creditless background character. Try harder.
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id wish you would stopping using that phrase. Its a social movement. This films story isn’t but it acclamates to it. not necessarily being part of the movement.
you have convictions of your place in life. But sometimes simple narratives is all it takes to tell the story.
You might have an interesting take on the story and maybe you can tell us what could be…but sadly “the movies run time” is really whats its about.
You’re probably advocating that she would probably have done some extreme life changing move rather than have taken it like ‘Naru’ did. Because the culture isn’t really prone to happy endings.?
like in real life she would probably have poisoned her brother , kiled her parents and took their belongings and joined another tribe right? LOL
Or journeyed across America until she hit mexico.
If she had any more depth beyond “I’m a woman and men don’t like me doing man things” I wouldn’t have to resort to such a simplistic line, but she’s that simple. That’s the writers fault not mine.