DBD's failure

What casuals are playing r6 ranked?
Valorant?
Counter-strike?

tell me why and how these e-sport games are casual?
I’m no master rank player in any of these. Im plat in League. But I can join the upper echelon of DBD in fractions of fractions of that time, anyone can because its just grinding whatever has the least counterplay and hopefully not hitting premades. Timesink but not in the hours of practice in AimLab way. You can learn every single wallbang and setup in every tactical shooter, but it doesn’t matter if you don’t have to mechanical skill to put that game knowledge to work. Just game knowledge by itself is casual unless you’re playing an RTS and those are supplemented by a hundred potential moves.

Probably the only game where turning left or turning right is considered depth.
Next to pac man.

putting hours in farming points to fill up a bloodweb 1000 times to use an enhanced skill in a match is chinese phone game crap, people really eat this up

There’s a casual mode

You tell me

Your telling me that DBD’s community is indictive of it’s bad gameplay

Ya because the ranked system in that game sucks

They’re adding SBMM because rank doesn’t mean anything in the first place

Fighting games consider pressing X or triangle at the end of a combo depth

Sounds like an MMO to me

Casual mode as an alternative to ranked =/= casual game

Its the sheer volume and timing of button presses.
Can you play beatsaber on expert+? Because I can’t.
We’re pretending any of this is on par with running a circle in DBD while toggling flashlight.

I hope not, and hopefully not one with pvp

But regardless if a casual audience finds a game appealing it’s shallow right?

Casuals like siege

It’s not like casual changes the mechanics of the game

Again how is that compared to a 50/50?

Quit bringing up other mechanics

Yep

It’s not RNG. WhT are you talking about? They are essentially just perks

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It doesn’t take hours to go through a couple blood webs. You just WANT this game to be worse than it is.

AND you keep complaining saying you just run one way or another. Again. Please explain how your horror game would work? Would you not run away? Should there be bicycles? Like yeah no dub you’re gonna run away. It’s a game where you’re being chased by a killer

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Dbd has issues. Just literally none of them are what he’s talking about. Haha also I really like @Finessology. So it’s not personal. Just clearly doesn’t know much about dbd.

Like being mad the game play loop is running around, in a game where you’re getting chased by a killer makes no sense.

Actual issues with the game are just over abundance of resources and second chances for survivors. And where the deeper issue lies is they can’t just overall nerf survivor cause potatoes already get crushed, and if you just nerfed survivors overall (remove a couple pallets and op windows, nerf survivor meta perks) then the potatoes would never win a game ever again. But with those same things you can’t take out cause some people suck, in the hands of good players, they can crush you

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Its turning left or right.
calling it a 50/50 doesnt make some kind of complex tech.

Its called casual mode because its just not-ranked in these games. You can go play league and casually run it down mid in norms every match you’re still going to get hit with a ban for feeding.
Its shallow because of the heavily railed-roaded casual player inputs. Limited options and shorter skill gap because of those stricter gameplay limitations that are in place to make matches formulaic attracts a two-button audience, same for games with snap aiming thats in place to equalize gunfights. It would be a different story and a different game if seige defaulted to snap-aim.
Chess and say, an RTS like starcraft are also all game knowledge but thats hundreds of potential options and strategies determining the outcome of the game that makes these competitive, you can spend thousands of hours learning chess. DBD is freeze tag.

What MMO are you playing?

F13, a step in the right direction.

PHG doesnt put perks behind veratanium lmao

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You literally manipulate your killer light against the survivor and the survivor has to make a read on that just like fighting game 50/50

I don’t think you know what I’m even talking about

A. Nothing to do with the community so your point is still dead

B. What do you mean railroaded?

The controls are simple?

So is placing a Mira but that takes a lot of skill

Because it’s obvious what to do next?

Ah yes that’s why there’s such a huge skill gap between that causes people to be even more fervent about survivor being balanced than PHG has

C’mon don’t tell me Mira doesn’t take skill to use

Destiny

PVP and a heavy grind

People had trouble getting Ghally within a YEARS worth of play

And that’s forgetting thorn

Hey something to actually grind for

WHY AM I DEFENDING DBD

You have to be able to aim to play seige. You can set up a window in all the pro spots after watching a hundred million videos, that doesn’t matter if you can’t hit a target. You aren’t getting carried by your loadout, these are shooters first and foremost. You can put silver casuals with full handicaps and comms vs master players with pistols and no game audio the silvers will get one tapped because their reaction time and muscle memory isn’t there and will potentially never be there. Very, very large skill gap.
Being able to outshoot people gets you way, way farther in Seige, Valorant, CS than just game knowledge and its completely intentional because its part of designing a legitimate competitive game with skill expression. Someone just peeking corner bodyshotting me because they know I will walk through there is still going to die if ive spent hundreds of hours headshotting people strafing that corner, crouching that corner, bhopping that corner and headshot them first while they’re losing every round because they hit my torso or legs.

Just walking around a corner in any of the above games you have the following options:
turn left or keep going right! whoaaaa 50/50 mixup
Peek the corner
Sprint past the corner
jump past the corner
bait the corner
grenades/abilities depending on the game which is another branch of ebin mindgames

from there it comes down to
account for the gun spray and recoil if you aim a pixel too low.
account for the headbob if you hop the corner
account for the teammates that may appear
when to stop sprinting and turn to fire? or instead sprint to the next cover? Overshoot? Undershoot?

It goes on and on like that mechanically. No youtube video is going to help you with that its going to come down to your reflexes. 99% of players are never getting anywhere near masters. Hell I think diamond is the top ten percentile for most competitive games. DBD is nothing of the sort because there is no mechanical baseline that’s naturally filtering ranks, its meta this meta that. Meta railroad.
Don’t know if you’ve seen people practice for high-end play in competitive shooters but its practicing hitboxes for hours and hours at every single angle, past a certain rank if you can’t headshot on a dime you aren’t progressing any further. Meta won’t save you.
In MOBAs the high rank filter is creep score. Seemingly harmless waves of weak AI are in place to allow the more practiced carry to zone the other person, create a lead, & destroy everything with their immense wealth and solo carry. you have to go practice hitting low hp enemies under every possible circumstance because once you get to diamond if you miss a certain number each wave when the other person is hitting every single one you will snowball yourself into a loss every single match and get mechanically hardstuck at that elo. That’s just a single mechanic in place to keep the normies out.
These games do not have equalizers.

Knowledge is half the battle

Don’t tell me it’s only skillful if it takes reaction time

Also why do you keep bringing up all these examples

Yes RDR is unskilled

What’s your point?

Yes siege has shooting mechanics

What’s your point?

You keep bringing these up like I don’t know

I do I’m not an idiot

You just don’t know DBD and that 40 hour limit really shows

Ya you don’t know what we’re talking about

You left the game too early go back and play it

Don’t tell me DBDers are playing chess or starcraft come on.
pac man jukes multiple ghosts, im not going to play pac man 50 hours to truly grasp its complexities either.

how are RDR snap aim showdowns unskilled but DBD is skilled?
I think speedcrafting tonics/explosives and jiggle peeking with two buttons while watching the deadeye bar drain is mechanically more complex than deciding to vault left or vault right with such immensely complex map knowledge of very complex maps, destroying totems, or doing gens.
you also can play rock paper scissors with the ability cards and change them on the fly such depth.

look at me I am diamond at pressing spacebar at window 360 flashlight uwu
e-sports DBD

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You haven’t even played spirit

You don’t have enough time with the game to fully understand it

You got two people with more time in the game than you and you don’t even know the 50/50 we’re talking about referring to them as going left or right like your at a small open loop and just randomly trying to trick the survivor who has plain line of sight into running into you like a noob

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They aren’t hard to acquire… at all. Lol. Like you get them after every single match? And F13!!! Bro you’re being IGNANT😂😂 f13 had LITERAL infinites with the high stamina characters! It was COMPLETELY BROKEN! lol

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Yeah dbd actually rewards good players. And how ignorant to say the game is simple so people who are bad mechanically like it. Bad mechanically??? Playing Oni, Blight, and Nurse are ALL more difficult than ANYTHING in hunting grounds on either side 😂 mechanically lol. @Finessology go play a match as one of these killers and you’re gonna fumble around. Then watch a YouTube video of a good player with them and you’ll be like holy shit

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Stopped playing after they nerfed jasons tele.
But not because the nerfed tele, but because you never got to just load in and play jason

You could also stunlock him for days. I’m not talking about the balance there though im talking about gameplay options

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muh immensely complex map

sometimes they even have STAIRS

If you understand the core game. It’s literally the same. You’re just looping. But not using resources like in dead by daylight. You aren’t managing anything. The looping in F13 was literally all infinite windows with high stamina characters. It was completely busted.

Trust me, I’m with you! I wanted that game to be awesome too. The concept was AMAZING

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The point was that’s a bad loop

You can’t even understand my arguments

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